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Is this EA? Is there anything to be done? Sorry, long.

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sadandandgry · 03/01/2011 12:18

Am a regular but have name changed.

My parents are in late 70's, Dad turns 80 this year. They've never had a happy relationship. I can remember arguments late at night ever since I was a young thing. I remember Mum threatening to leave my father (never intended to do it though), complaining endlessly about things Dad tried to do like organise family holidays etc. She has narcissistic tendencies but on the selfish rather than grandiose side.

Mum has rheumatoid arthritis and complains to others that Dad doesn't do anything around the house which is utterly ridiculous as he does all the housework and everything she asks.

Dad comes from abroad and he has lost two siblings to old age in the past year. He's the only one from his family who lives in his country. There was a family reunion in September and Dad really wanted to go but Mum wouldn't let him, saying that there'd be no-one to look after her. Even when us kids offered to ensure that someone stayed with her the entire time she refused to let him go. My sister and I were planning to buy him a ticket and have me stay with her while he was away. Dad refused. I asked Dad why he didn't put his foot down and he said it would be the end of his marriage. He said he'd love to go but Mum would make his life hell when he got back.

Over the last week Dad has had a small heart attack. He was grocery shopping with Mum, and went to the car as he wasn't feeling well. A family friend happened to see him and went to get Mum. She finished the shopping and came out, drove him to the Dr (although oddly, the family friend thought they were going to the hospital and had phoned my sister who was therefore on her way there to meet them - I think they changed their mind on the way).

Mum said that they were at the doctors so long, and she was tired and needed to go to the toilet, and Dad didn't want to go to the hospital anyway, so they went home. Dad was found unpacking the groceries by my sister who, according to my mother, "barged in and took him off to the hospital". My sister was on the phone to her at some point and apparently she was giggling about the whole thing. She has been getting quite a bit of attention and phone calls from family friends asking how Dad is, which seems to be making her quite happy.

He is still in hospital after 4 days but hopefully coming out tomorrow.

I spoke to Mum this morning and asked how she was coping on her own. She said absolutely fine, better than she thought she would. I asked then about Dad being able to go abroad in several months to visit his family. She flatly refused, saying things like, "what about me? there's more than one person here you know", to which I replied, "He is one person in the relationship and he deserves to have his needs met too". She became a bit nasty and said, "Oh, so it's a need now is it? Well if he goes this time, he'll want to go again and again - there's no end to his need. No, it's not going to happen."

I asked if she had been worried about Dad, she said no.

Dad had a health scare before, and admitted that he's quite prepared to die. He says he's had a hard life and he's happy to go. He has the patience of a saint, never argues back but always tries to be rational with her, which generally doesn't work as she is quite manipulative.

This just makes me so sad for him as it seems he's locked in a prison, and for him, death is a pretty good way out.

Is there anything I can do? I've already suggested sneaking Dad out for a lunch with friends (Mum will only let him have 1 coffee per day, and no fish which he loves, because she doesn't like it. We have to sneak him as Mum would be offended if he went to lunch without her).

I live in a different continent so its super frustrating. I'm now seriously considering the prospect of moving there in a year or so.

What would you do?

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kitbit · 03/01/2011 12:30

How do your other siblings feel? (What is EA?)

sadandandgry · 03/01/2011 12:35

Sorry - emotional abuse.

My sister is equally disgusted by her lack of concern and nurturing (which she also didn't show us).

My brother keeps his nose out of everything.

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quiddity · 03/01/2011 12:37

Shock at him being taken home and made to unpack groceries when he should have been in hospital because iy was inconvenient for your mum to wait at the GP. Well done to your sister.
In answer to your question, sounds as though it most definitely is EA. BUt since it's gone on for so long and as your poor dad seems resigned to it, I have no idea what could be done at this point.

sadandandgry · 03/01/2011 12:41

I'm Shock too. I've always given Mum the benefit of the doubt for her behaviour but after the conversation this morning I realised just how selfish and malicious it was. I can't excuse it any more.

I only just twigged that it could be emotional abuse and so am just really upset - not far from tears for the 5th day in a row now Sad

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quiddity · 03/01/2011 12:45

With regard to arranging for him to have a visit home, perhaps you and your sister could organise something even more exciting for your mum at the same time. If it's all about her and she's getting lots of attention, hopefully she won't care too much about what he's up to while that's going on.

sadandandgry · 03/01/2011 12:51

Quiddity that's what my sister and I were discussing this morning! I was thinking of taking her to a spa, or buying her a dress, or getting people around for lunch every day etc to give her some attention - anything to compensate for her loss of her husband for two weeks.

Tbh I think she'd still give Dad hell on return. I was even thinking that I'd stay on for the first week after he returned to make it more difficult for her to be nasty. I guess in the end its Dad's decision about what he's prepared to sacrifice for a trip to see his family.

My friends and I are nicer to each other than Mum is to Dad fgs.

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IAmReallyFabNow · 03/01/2011 12:56

Your mum sounds a right bitch, AngrySad.

Ultimately your father is an adult and able to make his own decisions and needs to be helped in doing that.

Lydwatt · 03/01/2011 13:00

can you go abraod with your dad instead of your mum.

also Shock at your mum!!

Long term, could he live with you or your sister if your mum is not up to caring for him?

Curiositykilledhaskittens · 03/01/2011 13:00

It does sound bad sadandandgry I am so sad for you! I suppose I would try to be kind to him... I don't know what else you could do...

quiddity · 03/01/2011 13:01

Poor, poor man. Never met him, but I hope and believe that if I found him sitting in a car park having a heart attack I'd treat him better than his own wife did.
Is the plan the one you had mentioned to them before and he refused? I was thinking maybe if you arrange something even more special for her--not just that you come to stay with her, but she gets to actually go somewhere with you and/or your sister, that would be more exotic and glamorous?

sadandandgry · 03/01/2011 13:04

Lydwatt my sister was going to go with Dad and I would stay with Mum.

Dad wouldn't consider disgracing Mum by not living with her and caring for her. I think he'd rather die Sad

IAmReallyFabNow - you're right. Dad is an adult and he's taking responsibility for his decision to marry Mum all those years ago. I guess I'm just sad that at the end of his life he'd rather just end it than continue going on (which is why he doesn't want to go to the hospital). It's sad to think about someone I love being that unhappy and not being able to do much about it.

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sadandandgry · 03/01/2011 13:08

Quiddity that's the plan we thought of. Mum hates travelling so she'd be in a right grump at going anywhere. Even the spa would be like "Oh, I can't have that facial, it hurts".

{sad] Thanks for your input and understanding. It's not easy and it feels wrong to admit that your mother is a bitch, but she is.

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IAmReallyFabNow · 03/01/2011 14:34

I would be putting all my efforts into getting your dad well and enjoy his last few years, visiting his family abroad and over dosing on coffee and fish.

MummieHunnie · 03/01/2011 14:54

Yes it is emotional abuse, your dad is an enabler and he enabled your mother all that control and abuse of him and of you kids and it is continuing. Their drama is still ongoing and hurting you and your sister. Your Dad has written that script for himself.

If it was me I would research codependance and tell your parents you need a break fro their dysfunction and drama's which have gone too far now, and then have a break from them, live a good life for yourself and leave them to thier rubbish it is not your job to fix it! They will both escallate for your attention, when you are on your break by the way!

ItsGraceAgain · 03/01/2011 15:37

She sounds like a nightmare. She most certainly is abusive. Unfortunately there's not much you can do - they're both adults, she will not magically transform into a woman who gives a shit, and your father is aware he has choices.

It's a bummer. I really understand your wanting to help him but, apart from offering help - which you have done & continue to do - you can't force him to take it (or want it, for that matter). Wrt to the trip home, you could continue to inform him of flights and your readiness to pay his fare, but that's all I'm afraid :(

sadandandgry · 03/01/2011 15:46

Yes I think I should focus my efforts on him enjoying any moments of freedom and pleasure of his last few years that he can get away with.

Let him know that we support him but not hurt him by speaking too badly about Mum.

And make sure he knows that I/we love him.

Question: would you move abroad (back home) for this?

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MummieHunnie · 03/01/2011 15:50

Are you asking if you should move back in with your parents or if your Dad should move abroad? Of course your Dad should move abroad if that is what he wants.

sadandandgry · 03/01/2011 15:53

There's no way my Dad would move back to his family's country (which is not the UK).

I guess I'm asking if should move back to my country, really, or if I'd regret it for ever if I didn't do whatever I could now/in the next few years while I still have him.

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ItsGraceAgain · 03/01/2011 15:56

Your policy sounds very thoughtful :)

I don't feel you should move back - unless you were planning to do so anyway - as it's likely to lead to great frustration for you. If you can manage to visit more often over the coming 5-10 years, that's more likely to be a manageable compromise.

MummieHunnie · 03/01/2011 16:04

So you are in the uk, your parents are in country b with your siste, and your dad comes from country c?

I would agree with Grace, unless you were planning on moving before hand, I would stay as you are.

sadandandgry · 03/01/2011 17:05

Yes that's it MummieHunnie. A bit confusing I know.

Hmmm I see it makes sense that I might be resentful if I move home just for this, without trying to go home more often first. I think I'm just scared that he might go suddenly and I'll feel guilty for not having enough quality time with him.

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mamatomany · 03/01/2011 17:12

I'd book his ticket and drive him to the airport, if he's had a hard life he damn well deserves what could be his last trip.

sadandandgry · 03/01/2011 19:25

mamatomany that's what I'd love to do. My sister and I had a plan to organise the trip. not tell him or Mum until the last minute so that she couldn't blame him for it.

The problem is she gives him hell when he gets home - whingeing, blaming, saying that he doesn't love her, how difficult her life is etc and if he cared he wouldn't do this to her etc etc and then bitches to anyone who'll listen. She plays the martyr.

I know I'm painting her as a bitch, but on top of this I'm just so shocked that anyone would consider this normal when your partner is having a heart attack:

a) finish your shopping
b) go home after visiting the doctor as you were tired (let alone not go to the hospital immediately)

c) allow him to unpack the groceries when he got home.

Not letting him one last visit to his family is horrid but my view of how callous she is was confirmed when he had his heart attack. She said, "It was just a small heart attack, nothing to worry about." When I said, "any heart attack is something to worry about", she said, "well, he could have died."

WTF?

Sorry I think I'm just venting. I'm just so angry with her.

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Anniegetyourgun · 04/01/2011 09:22

Rather than just a selfish person, your mum sounds as if she may have some kind of personality disorder that renders her incapable of empathy. She could be totally self-centred because that is the only way she can perceive the world. It's not necessarily the answer but it would explain a lot.

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