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To apologise after drunken flirting?

18 replies

tiredmumof3 · 01/01/2011 11:15

Never posted on here before but been reading stuff on here for last 3 years!
I have been married for 16 years, sometimes bit rocky. 18 months ago I was on a certain social networking site and decided to say hello to an ex. Stupid I know but he's married and lives long way away so harmless enough. We chat as friends, never any suggestion of anything else.
Last night I'm up alone - DH doesn't want to stay up to see in new year. Had a few drinks, something I never do and I decided to chat to him.
Am ashamed to say I tried desperately to flirt with him, he very kindly changed the subject before I made a complete idiot of myself but this morning I am mortified :(
Should I apologise to him? Ignore it? I really don't want to lose a friendship (albeit an online one) over this.

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CybilScissorhands · 01/01/2011 11:16

Just say you were drunk

AMumInScotland · 01/01/2011 11:20

I agree - a quick apology mentioning how drunk you were should draw a line under it. But don't go overboard on the apology or it makes it a bigger deal IYSWIM? Ignoring it is always tricky, as you then tend to be very aware of the fact that you're both trying to ignore it.

billybunter · 01/01/2011 14:34

Don't stress. If he was spending the time chatting to you on NYE that wasn't under duress!

I would make a jokey reference, if that.

Definitely no apology.

He was probably a bit flattered.

Curiousnamechange · 01/01/2011 15:23

I think if you want to rescue the friendship I would say something similar to what you said above:

"I believe you may have noticed my pathetic, drunken attempt to flirt with you last night? I am very glad you, very kindly changed the subject! Thank you! Very sorry! Stupid alcohol!"

If you treat it like a big deal it risks becoming one, I would also tell your husband and probably stop contact. I am however fairly up front as a person and this kind of apology wouldn't frighten people I know I would also probably not speak to the friend again until there was no possibility of flirting and try to do some flirting with my husband instead... This is what I am doing anyway! Not sure if it is the right thing. Also be prepared for the friend's wife to ban him contacting you or for him to want to end the friendship which would be embarrassing but perhaps protective of his marriage.

Seems to be the week for this, I had a thread similar to this earlier. Felt much better once I had cleared the air with my husband - I reckon he is the important one here rather than the friend. I got caught up with DH's mate who was flirting with me and really on reflection I enjoyed it partly cos I find DH's mate attractive, partly because it could be said we have a bit of unresolved stuff which I was only made aware of in his best man's speech at our wedding (embarrassing) and partly cos DH and I's sex life has suffered because of having twins.

Do you have a little crush on this friend or were you just wasted? Either way my advice would be to focus on yourself and on your marriage rather than your friendship.

Hope this is not absolutely terrible advice! Please correct it if it is!

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 01/01/2011 15:50

I suspect your actions last night were in part punitive to your H, for going to bed and not seeing the New Year in.

I would make a light apology to your friend and blame it on drink, but don't be surprised if he backs away now and regards it as an unsafe friendship.

tiredmumof3 · 01/01/2011 16:33

Thanks for the advice. I did the whole brief apology blamed on alcohol thing. He's definitely not ignoring me because of it though, quite the opposite in fact :O

I can't tell my h because he doesn't approve of me talking to any men for any reason whatsoever. A few years ago we had a discussion where he told me that if I talked to a dad at the dc school gates and didn't tell him about it he would regard it as me cheating!!! So I'm guessing that even a simple friendship would not be allowed. He doesn't know about this man at all, when h and I got together he expressly asked not to know about any previous history I had with anyone.
Bottom line, H is quite controlling and I think this contact has been my childish bit of rebellion. Chances are it is all going to blow up in my face now!!!

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Curiousnamechange · 01/01/2011 16:51

Oh no tiredmumof3! That is difficult! My h is really very secure and laughed when I spoke to him about things. It sounds like a can of worms though tbh, one you might be best off avoiding if you can? Can/ have you done anything to cope with your H's controlling behaviour? I don't think it is acceptable at all to expect you to tell him everytime you speak to a man! I have had a relationship like this, my two eldest are from it. I complied and became very isolated from all friends and family. My now DH is very, very secure and sensible unlike XP which is a welcome change but I went through some very difficult things with XP. I still think focusing on you/your marriage is a better idea than indulging this secret friendship though even if for no other reason than that the secret friendship might be giving you distraction, preventing you from having to sort out some really negative things in your marriage.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 01/01/2011 16:56

Well if your friend is not ignoring it and you say far from it, then he no doubt saw this as a green light. Pull out now, out of respect for his wife, if nothing else.

Your H is a different matter. Secret friendships are also very controlling and so it seems like you are controlling eachother. I have no idea why you put up with the controls your H put on your interactions with other men, but that was a choice you made. If you want to make another choice now and tell him where to get off, do it openly and don't mess someone else's marriage up in the process.

tiredmumof3 · 01/01/2011 17:28

Of course I have respect for his marriage. When I first started talking to him I asked if it was ok with his wife for me to chat with him and he assured me it was. Have no reason to doubt him on that. I don't know anything about their marriage, we never discuss our respective partners.
Still trying to get my head round this, for 18 months we've been friends and chatted a few times a week. His messages cheer me up and we are on the same wavelength about so many things. And now because I messed up I have to lose that? I should have just gone to bed early last night with h :(

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Curiousnamechange · 01/01/2011 17:38

I dont know whether you have to lose that friendship, I would advise that it now isn't really a friendship though - more a flirtation. I think it is dangerous to actively seek extra marital attention at the best of times and especially when things aren't going well in your marriage. Having a flirtation with someone else might stop you feeling trapped and like your romantic life is rubbish but it wont deal with what is causing you to feel rubbish in the first place and I think you should feel pretty rubbish about someone telling you who you can and can't speak to - that just isn't acceptable. He just needs to stop that.

loopylou6 · 01/01/2011 17:55

I'm sorry but I doubt his wife would if given her blessing for her husband to chat to an ex,. why on earth was he chatting with you NYE.and not with his wife anyway? Confused

moondog · 01/01/2011 17:58

Don't say anything.If you can't get pissed and inappropriate on NYE, when can yuo?

Loads of drunken posting goes on on MN but I doubt anyone really registers it.

tiredmumof3 · 01/01/2011 18:01

I would be ok if my H wanted to speak to an ex. If it was friendly, above board stuff about weather, news that kind of thing. Wouldn't bother me at all if it was somebody from 20 years ago who he would never meet up with!

I presume his wife was asleep :S Didn't ask, like I say not something we discuss.

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said · 01/01/2011 18:06

Can't you just leave it for a few weeks/months to cool down? You'll be overreading stuff into everything he writes now. Shame you can't discuss it with your husband but that's a different issue.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 01/01/2011 18:10

The more this unravels, the more obvious it is that this was never a harmless friendship after all. Friends do mention their partners and families, rather than never mention their romantic relationships at all. It sounds like you have been using this friendship to prop up your marriage for the last 18 months. Beyond an initial enquiry about whether his wife would mind, (a question no doubt fuelled by your own situation, but not one that most "friends" would ask of one another) both your H and his wife have become faceless and invisible.

Reading between the lines, he has responded today with matched or even more extreme flirting. He was probably waiting for you to make a move so that he could pass the responsibility over to you, for changing the terms of your relationship.

What I am trying to get across to you is that by acceding to your H's unreasonable demands, you made a choice and if you are "rebelling" now, you are making a different choice, but the difference is that you are not being transparent about that new choice. This is why secret friendships are controlling, except the deceived parties have no idea they are being controlled.

Your language is interesting too. You speak of rebelling and you ask us if you "have to lose" your friendship? This is the language of a child rebelling against a controlling parent.

What I am also trying to get across is that you have choices and decisions to make about your marriage, but express them openly and honestly, not covertly. And as soon as this friendship became a scret, you crossed a line. Whether your friend told his wife about it or not is a moot point, but assuming he did, that friendship has now crossed the line for him too.

If you are a good friend to him, you will not want to cause problems in his marriage, because no doubt his wife would be horribly hurt if she knew that the two of you have been flirting. Take responsibility for your own choices and don't intrude on someone else's relationship to prop up yours.

hatesponge · 01/01/2011 18:13

His wife may have been unwell, at work or gone out leaving him home with DCs for example. Lots of possible reasons why he was online and not with his wife.

What concerns me is your H telling you that you're not allowed to speak to other men. no-one can live like that nor should be asked to. Do you tell your H not to speak to other women? If not, then why does he feel entitled to stop you? I do know of a few relationships where one partner has forced these restrictions on another, and they have generally ended badly. I think you need to discuss this with him, he is being unreasonable and unfair.

tiredmumof3 · 01/01/2011 18:26

Thank you for your point whenwillifeelnormal. Can I just say that when I say we never discuss our partners I mean I'm not saying to him "oh my H didn't take the bins out again this week or help with the washing up" - there's no intimate discussion like that. Of course he has mentioned stuff like his wife starting a new job, I have mentioned things like my DH needing an op on his elbow. Casual everyday things, i don't discuss my DC either really but they are occasionally mentioned. It's a different kind of friendship as he doesn't know my H or DC so it's not something that we would chat about itms? I don't mean that we chat in some fantasy alternate world!
Totally take on board what you are saying but when I asked him if his wife minded I was genuinely concerned that she might. No reason she should have minded but as another poster on here said she wouldn't let her H talk to an ex. I didn't want to cause a problem for him or her. As far as I know he has quite a few female friends.
I don't mean to sound childish, obviously I don't want to cause anyone any hurt but do feel a bit sad about all of this. My marriage has been unhappy for a very long time and for my own reasons divorce will never be something I'll consider, this was a little bit of friendship that I will know have to do without.

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TeiTetua · 01/01/2011 20:54

Do it with a simple "I'm sorry for being rather drunk and silly the other night. And thanks for being tactful about it at the time."

That's all. And don't bring it up again, and if he does, tactfully change the subject.

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