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I hate my family

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XmasNewName · 26/12/2010 19:31

I'm a name changer but can mention fruit shoots/Greggs sausage rolls/Moldies/SheWhoMustNotBeNamed if need be.

When I was 13 I was abused by a relation. My mother was aware of this and ostriched. When I became upset and angry over the following months I was sent to boarding school. I left home at 16 because my mother moved this relation into the house for a year (he had nowhere else to go, apparently), and started living in the local YMCA, had a relationship with a drug dealer who thumped me now and then, the usual. I realised at 19 that this was a one way route to nowhere so I went and got some A levels, sorted myself out, went to university and met someone lovely and now have a child/family/life. I've got past it and it is now mostly something that happened, not who I am. There are cracks and weaknesses still but I have a happy life and much to live for.

My relationship with the family has always been difficult. I never had Xmas with them as he was always invited and though they all knew, they said they wanted to make it clear they weren't taking sides by asking us both, which in effect meant I couldn't go. He is deaf and has some mental health issues so they felt a certain degree of sympathy over his problems. I was told what had happened was sadly very common in families and I needed to accept it was in the past and move on. I was told this from 16 onwards, despite the fact that he behaved in a predatory way to a deaf girl with a mental age of 12 and another girl who was suffering a psychotic episode (he was "kind to her" and took her out to the cinema etc; it transpired he was pressuring her into unwanted sexual contact). My family are enormously fucked up; nobody except one aunt is on speaking terms with every other member and my mother, very justifiably actually, has no contact with her own mother. Everyone is divorced in the older generation except for one couple, who seem to hate each other and really should be.

At university this relation managed to find my email (as he worked internally at another uni in their IT dep't) and send me a jolly one asking how I was and how much he'd like to see me. I was completely terrified and sickened by this. DH who was then my boyfriend emailed back saying my family were all gutless but he was not and if this individual ever contacted me again, the next contact with anyone at all would be at a police station explaining why he had abused a child. The relation was apoplectic with rage - fw the email to some of my family as evidence of persecution - but since then he has left me alone. DH was then and has remained extremely protective and assertive with them all on this area.

My mother has never respected my wishes and feelings on this one. It was therapy that meant I was able to draw a line in the sand over it - a shrink told me at 17 that nobody had ever protected me, and that my mother was plainly incapable of it (she also allowed a boyfriend to exile us kids to our room when I was 8, because he was jealous and wanted her to himself, she used to pretend to call social services to have us taken into care as a discipline measure, she hit us extremely hard, the usual I suppose when a single parent is really unable to cope at all). My mother is now someone who has worked really hard on herself and freely admits to all this and is apologetic and in many ways wonderfully supportive, but her blind spot is still this relation.

Due to work problems and then money ones, we had to sell the house and relocate. We rent a house now and couldn't find one that took a dog. This relation used to beat up my old dog, so when my mother offered to rehome ours DH sat her down and asked for her word that the dog would never, under any circumstances, be alone with this relation. The dog is a pedigree and a sought after one, and we pay for full Petplan insurance, so we could have rehomed her elsewhere, but my DS adores her and my mother has him overnight every week so it seemed a good compromise. (DH also told my mother when DS was born that if the relation so much as laid eyes on his son, she would never see me or the baby again.)

My mother adores DS and he her, and so I arranged Christmas around her needs. As she wants to spend Xmas day with the relation, I planned an Xmas meal on Christmas Eve so she could do stocking opening as well on Xmas morning before she left. This was for my son mostly as I don't want him to realise there is an issue - he loves his Granny and I foster that she also dotes on him. A cousin and her husband, both of whom I'm fond of and close to and who know the situation, were also invited.

While cooking I heard a report on the radio about anti-freeze and road salt killing pets, and asked Mum to call the friend who had the dog to ask her to bathe her paws after walks. Mum made an excuse. I said I really thought it mattered and then she said, dog was not with that friend. I asked where dog was. Dog was in her house, alone, with relation.

I didn't say anything. I just relayed that to DH, who said he was going to make other housing arrangements for the dog as soon as possible. When I carried the food into the living room I heard my mother say, aggressively to him, "you're just biased. Your opinion isn't worthwhile." I stopped dead and asked what was being discussed and she said, "nothing." I repeated, what, and she said, "the dog." At that point I started to shout at her - biased? I should bloody well hope so! She said it was years ago and I needed to get over it, and to my horror my cousin joined it and agreed and said the dog would be fine. I said he'd beaten up my other dog and enjoyed scaring her over water etc and she said that was years ago and she'd trust him with her own cat so what was my problem.

Things got out of hand and I started asking if she'd been backed against a fucking wall having someone grope her, and if she had phobias about people sitting on her duvet trapping her under it, and if she absolulutely had to shower every day, and a range of other things I won't bore you all with. I went to my room and cried and DH basically told them all exactly what he thought. My cousin's husband came to see me and was lovely - basically said that cousin just can't deal with conflict and meant to help, and added that my family are mad and always handle conflict by pressuring the victim to STFU. The thing I find hardest there is that I have driven to see that cousin for miles at 2 am when she had a crisis, leaving my tiny baby son behind with DH. Yet in this situation I got sod all support. Mum started demanding a taxi and DH turned to her and said she was not the victim here, to stop her usual efforts at playing it. He did try to get her a taxi as he wanted shot of her but it wasn't possible at 8 pm on Xmas Eve at short notice so I served dinner and we all did what my family always does; pretended everything was ticketyboo.

I talked to Mum very early on Xmas morning and she said at first that she didn't think I'd mind, then said she'd called loads of kennels and none could house the dog. When I asked why she hadn't just not come she had no answer. She said we'd not asked her never to leave the dog with him alone but DH explicitly did and so did I. When I pointed out that we leave DS in her sole care and how can we after this, she was appalled and said he was teh most precious thing in the world to her and the dog was just a dog, no comparison and she would never let this relation anywhere near DS. But the problem is she left ME with him when she knew, so how the hell can I believe her? We left it on better terms and she was supposed to be coming here on Tues to babysit as prearranged, but tbh I just don't want to see her. I feel sick at the idea. I know she and DS have their own relationship now and I must respect that but I feel sick at seeing her or him having any more contact because I just can't see how the hell I can trust her now? She has never shown an ounce of respect for my wishes over the years - my possessions given to this relation when he moved house and Mum thought he could do with them, nobody asking me a damn thing about it, etc - yet she has always disgusied my contact details in her phone book as well, so at some level she is aware he is unsafe to me and mine. But that being so, what the hell happened with the dog?!

DH doesn't want her allowed sole charge of DS again. Tbh I am thisclose to severing all contact with the lot of them. I am just so confused and don't know how reasonable I am being - they've all been so consistent in saying I have over reacted for so long, but DS thinks they are a child protection nightmare and getting rid of the lot of them would be a very good move indeed. But they're my family and I do love them. And I have no other family. My father is even worse (violent and a clinical narcissist - this is all my mother's side.)

I'm sorry this is so long and so jumbled. Believe it or not I am usually a sane and articulate and reasonable poster. My head is just in bits right now.

OP posts:
Hypermutley · 27/12/2010 00:54

Hi, I am a lurker this is my first contribution... my thoughts - please DO NOT leave your DS with your mother alone EVER. What you dont want is your DS to sometime in the future tell you that he was mistreated or even abused by this man - think about how you may feel if this happens. Your mother should have supervised visits with your son. end of.

You can get on with your life but you can never forget abuse.

WriterofDreams · 27/12/2010 08:31

Firstly NewName, please be absolutely and utterly certain that you are not in any way overreacting. The way you feel is normal and understandable.

I don't know why but the appalling treatment you have received from your family is not unusual. When I was little a friend of my mother's stayed with the family and abused me. We then went to stay with him and he and his friend both abused me again. I buried it all for a long time but it came back to me in my late teens and I began dealing with it. I told my mother about it, thinking that would help me to get clarity on the whole thing. I really should have known better, but I suppose it's normal for a person to expect their mother to be caring and protective, the same way you expected it. My mother's reaction completely shocked me for two reasons. Firstly it was clear she knew about the abuse, though when she found out about (ie whether it was before or after we went to stay with him) I don't know. So she could have talked to me about it herself but didn't. Secondly she said that I had to move on and basically wanted me to shut up about it. At the time I was in a very bad way and clearly needed support but her message to me was that she didn't want to support me and I should stop complaining. Luckily, like you, I have a wonderful DH who helped me enormously.

Nothing was said about it again until last year when I suffered very badly with depression (partially triggered by trying to deal with the abuse) and I tried to talk to her about it again. Despite the fact that I was suicidal her reaction was still that I should just move on and that by going on about it I was just trying to make her feel guilty. I now know she is incapable of normal human feelings on this matter. She doesn't want to see how it has affected me and will turn it around to be about her if I push the issue. I know this is partially because she is a completely immature person due to her own upbringing but also I know that she would rather minimise my feelings and make out I'm overreacting to avoid her own feelings of guilt and shame about the incident. So I've given up. And surprisingly this has given me great relief. I haven't cut her out of my life but I've distanced myself from her (I live in a different country than her anyway) and by giving up trying to get her to be a proper mother to me (as advised by my counsellor) I've gotten rid of my own pointless expectations. It's terribly sad and disappointing that I will never have the mother I want but it is also immensely liberating to free myself from the constant wanting and trying to get her to fulfill that role when she clearly isn't capable of it. I recognise now that a large part of the suffering I have experienced in relation to the abuse has been due to her - I expected her to protect me or to at least comfort me after I was hurt and she failed me on that. Consequently I realised that I had more anger towards her than my abusers who had no duty of care towards me. Letting go of that anger has been a big part of me truly moving on from the abuse.

Sorry for rambling on about my own experience, I just feel it mirrors yours closely and so might give you some insight. I would agree with the others that you need to distance yourself from your mother and definitely never leave your DS in her care. Rehome the dog, just for your own peace of mind. You have forgiven things that you should never be asked to forgive because she is your mother and you love her. Now it's time to start protecting yourself and to recognise that while you're normal and reasonable your mother and your family aren't and it's unlikely that they're going to see sense after all this time. For your mother to continue to see this relative and to choose him over you is twisted, utterly utterly twisted. She clearly can't see that, and you've put up with it because it's hard to believe your own mother could be that strange and uncaring.

amberleaf · 27/12/2010 09:37

Please dont allow your child to spend time in your mothers care, she has proved to be incapable of ensuring her own childs safety, so please dont allow her to have that influence over your child.

If i were you i would cut all ties immediately.

Your child and yor DH are your family now.

samay · 27/12/2010 10:18

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femalevictormeldrew · 27/12/2010 12:08

I am going to be of no use only to say never, EVER, EVER allow your DS to be on his own with your mother. You don't know what could happen with the relation. It is not worth taking the risk, however small.

And a big clap on the back for your husband. He sounds like a great man x

BoffinMum · 27/12/2010 12:15

FWIW, a technicality, I know, but the abuser probably broke the terms of the JANET university IT use agreement in emailing you in this way, and if you ever want to show him who is boss, you have the option of shopping him to his employers.

FWIW.

wonka · 27/12/2010 12:49

Would it be worth speaking to your landlord about taking out extra pet damage pet damage insurance and offering to have the carpets shampooed when you move out?
Agree with a lot of other posters, time to cut loose!

QueenStromba · 27/12/2010 13:40

I thought my family was fucked up. Cut them all out of your life. I haven't spoken to my father for years because he's an emotionally abusive dick and it was the best decision I've ever made. I'm a lot happier now and am finally getting my life back together. In the beginning I'd occasionally have people say things like "he's your father you have to talk to him" but I just pointed out that if I had a boyfriend who was that bad for me everyone would be telling me to leave him. If they won't back off then one of the advantages of renting is that you can move quite easily, it's definitely a comfort to me that my father doesn't know where I live.

ZZZenAgain · 27/12/2010 13:52

sever all contact with them once and for all, it is an entirely reasonable thing to do.

Your family is your (may I say) wonderful husband, ds - and possibly your dh's family.

Never leave your ds with your mother is my advice

Inertia · 27/12/2010 14:05

I agree with everyone else, you cannot leave ds in your mother's sole care. She refuses to protect children from this predatory man, and if she cares for your son at your home there is always a possibility of her allowing this relative into your home.

It sounds as though you have a wonderful strong husband who is able to protect you. My worry is that the relative is now abusing other children in the family, as your other family members are facilitating this. Would you consider reporting him to the police ?

You might also need to consider rehoming the dog, temporarily if possible. Your mum won't protect the dog.

XmasNewName · 01/01/2011 20:19

Thanks for the help.

Firstly, to clarify: nobody has ever put the dog ahead of ds. My mother was told very clearly when ds was born that if he ever breathed the same air as the relative, she would never see ds or me again. When it came to the dog, she was told never to leave the dog alone with him, or to allow the dog to be scared or harmed, without penalty attached. If she had broken the first condition then this debate would simply not be taking place, as her relationship with me and ds would be severed immediately - and the thought of ds being in his sole charge for 24 hours, as the dog was, is just unthinkable. Even she wouldn't be such a moron as that.

Secondly, nobody appears to have considered the possibility that this relative is her son. I didn't state that in the OP, because I am nervous about being identified IRL, but I can't help feeling that people might be a little more understanding of her situation with that knowledge, so it seems unfair to her not to say. She didn't bring him up herself, he was raised originally by rather unpleasant relatives and then foster homes who moved him on when he was a threat to their kids. I can't feel anger with her for trying to make up for failing him in childhood, and given she was young and he was apparently violently conceived I don't blame her for inability to cope then, either. I don't blame her for trying to make up for his having suffered (which he did, undeniably). I do blame her for more or less letting him do what the hell he wanted as long as she didn't have to face up to what he was capable of, and for her blanket denial of the seriousness of his actions, and for her constant and unremitting failures to protect me. She is not someone who appears capable of being honest with herself, really. She lives in a fantasy so she can find her own life easier. I can't respect that. As to the wider family - my mother is the black sheep. Had her son done this to anyone else's child, I am pretty sure he'd have been cast into outer darkness. Another of her kids, and well, best everyone is just understanding and accepts that the poor lad had a tough time, hmmm? I am pretty damn sure he knows it, too, and wouldn't dare with anyone else's kid. But given they all know, I can't really see I can do much more at this point. Police action would be my word against his - my mother would be a hostile prosecution witness - and I can't see it would achieve much, when the other two known victims were over age at the time, albeit exceptionally vulnerable. I have thought about it, but for a very low prospect of conviction, it would pretty much trash my life. Given we're related it would hardly be possible to keep me anonymous, either.

DH and I told her yesterday that she was not to see DS at her home in future, and that she was only to see him here, under our roof. We also told her we were rehoming the dog elsewhere asap. She played the martyr card very effectively and I began to feel guilty... until she said, all thoughtful and as if granting us a favour, that if the responsibility of DS were lifted from her then she might after all be able to cope with the dog so no need to rehome her.

After lifting my jaw off the floor I realised she has done what she has always done - immediately reframed an unpalatable reality (she cannot be trusted to protect my child or pet from an abuser) with, this is all a little much for her so she has scaled down the "help she is offering us". This is what she will tell her friends, and in her mind it was the truth before she had even finished the conversation in which we set out the new rules. I had the usual weird sense of vertigo when she did this, but DH was fortunately there to spell out that she was not getting away with this with us - that we were removing our dog from her because she could not be trusted, and if she could not be trusted with the dog she certainly could not be with our son, so no, we were not going to leave this dog in her care in alignment with her newly imagined reality, and far from this being a burden she was surrendering, it was a sought after privilege we were removing in the teeth of her objections. So can the crap, effectively.

Oddly enough that incident really helped me stiffen my resolve that I was doing the right (well, only, really) thing. I may love my mother, she may in many ways be hugely loving and supportive and kind, but she is also a complete fucking fantasist who is never, ever responsible for the consequences of any of her own choices. She has been surly and self-pitying on the phone, and tried to imply DS will suffer under the new arrangements, but as I have found activities they can do together locally on every single day of the week I was able to tell her she was being ludicrous. I also pointed out she was free to visit any time she wanted to and it was up to her how close or otherwise they remained.

We have found a lovely potential home for the dog already. It is perfect in just about every way - a dog-walking contact has a relative who is experienced with the breed and can offer an ideal home. With luck she will be there within the week.

Dobie, thank you very much for your words to pink. I would reply to her directly (good to know someone is far too bothered about the horror of abuse to bother with courtesy to actual victims Hmm) but a battle of wits with such a comprehensively unarmed opponent seems pointless. Your kindness is however most appreciated and helped me when I first saw it. Likewise, thank you so much to diane and writerofdreams and lots of other people. The problem with all this is I've had years of being made to feel guilty every time I implement a step to protect myself, and after a while you start to get relexively anxious about whether you're being as hysterical and unreasonable as people claim. I just keep reminding myself that one choice = no risk and the other = risk. When put like that there is no choice, is there.

Many thanks for the help. Sometimes Mumsnet can be an amazing place - I've seen that with others and you all (well, almost all!) just helped me and ds a great deal. I won't be commenting on this thread again, so please don't think I am ungrateful if I don't respond to further comments. It's just that this situation obviously upsets me a great deal and now I've decided what to do, I'd rather just get on with life and leave it alone. Sometimes, after therapy has done all it can, in my opinion scratching at old wounds makes them harder to get over. I can't alter the past, but I can try not to dwell on it. That's the only reason I won't be here to thank people for all their time and thought. (Given how long my posts have been that may be a source of relief!)

Finally, I showed DH this thread. I think his head doubled in size. Grin

OP posts:
LittleMissHootsMon · 02/01/2011 00:47

You have both done exactly the right thing, and you are marvellous! Well done you! Well done DH! What a team!

Don't, please, EVER blame yourself, you have done nothing to bring this all about.

Your mother may have had many excuses/reasons even for failing her DS, and ultimately failing you and your DS.

BUT

She could have learnt from the first experience, she needn't have allowed history to repeat.

We all make mistakes, but to fail one child, then another and another, it's clear that SHE is the defective parent here, and that you had no part in creating this mess.

Thank God you have the wherewithall to know how to escape it though.

I salute you, you really are admirable.

monkeyflippers · 02/01/2011 10:22

I agree with atswimtwolengths.

Your mum can't be trusted.

QueenofWhatever · 02/01/2011 11:44

Just to add, I was sexually abused by my Dad and my Mum was abusive in other forms. My sister does similar things to your Mum.

I have cut all contact with my family and it is such a massive relief. You can choose not to have these people in your life, make the decision for you and your family.

I know well the shame, guilt and fear that comes with this and I would recommend therapy (not counselling, this is much heavier). Also you might find the Stately Homes threads useful. You are not alone.

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