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Do these things 'count' as abuse?

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singingcat · 24/12/2010 22:30

Over the past few years I've realised that I have some issues which (put together) you would expect to see in someone who had suffered some kind of abuse. These include extreme fear of the dentist for no logical reason ( and this describes me to a T

However, I was confused because as far as I know I have never been abused. But I have been thinking, and certain things do come into my mind, which I didn't think affected me that much at the time.

When I was a child, I spent a lot of time with my best friend and her brother, who was a couple of years older. He was quite aggressive and picked on me a lot, including physical violence. I also remember me and my friend being in his room and him getting us to show him parts of our bodies and also play with his penis. Neither of us were very happy about it, but didn't talk about it afterwards. Is this normal experimenting or something else? We were about 11 and he was about 14.

I worked in an office for a holiday job when I was 19 or so. My boss became slightly obsessed with me and started touching me, trying to kiss me, putting his hands up my skirt. He never did anything really bad, and I tried to say no but was too freaked. He also got annoyed and went cold whenever I tried to say no. Eventually I left. I still have bad dreams about him sometimes.

There was also a teacher at school who seemed to take a 'special interest' in me, and said a fair number of sexual things that may have been a joke or just odd humour but definitely were inappropriate. He also once shut my fingers in a door, which he claimed was an accident but it was right after I'd argued with him about something. (Although it wasn't clear that it was deliberate, my fingers were resting there)

An ex-partner used to be too rough with me, during sex and not, and made me cry. He would also tickle me to the point where I got hysterical and cried.

All these things seem pretty small fry compared to what some people have been through, and I have never considered them to be abuse before. But I need some explanation for why dentists terrify me and a check-up leaves me feeling violated for several days, giving birth was traumatic because of all the people around and feeling powerless (even though it could be described as a 'textbook' birth). I quite frequently have nightmares about being raped, although nothing has ever happened to be that can be described as that. I used to be quite scared about sex and hate the idea of it, but being with DH has made that better.

Does anyone have any insight? Feel free to tell me that those things, though unpleasant, were not abusive. I just want an honest opinion.

thanks

OP posts:
BreakFree · 24/12/2010 22:45

It does sound to me that there is something in your past contributing to all your fears now and from what you have written I would not hogwash any of these things at all. Some of them sound a bit horrific to be honest. Dreaming of being raped or feeling powerless would point to me of something that you are absolutely terrified of being dominated by anyone. I am a big believer in dream analaysis as the key to what is going on in our heads but I am no expert .
I am not a fan of sex and can never pinpoint why I am but when I was very young I was molested by an older senior girl when I was in reception year at school. Other than that I have no reason to feel so detatched from the idea of sex. PRobably because I always seem to feel like I am only being used for my partners benefit. Even when I was a teenager I could never be in the one-night-stand crowd.
I'm not sure if being terrifed of the dentist has any relevance to your other issues but can I just say that many of us havee serious and unexplainable fears of the dentist. It took me until I was 25 to pluck up the courage to go to a dentist without needing sedation first and this is because my lovely friend encouraged me to go and meet his dentist and I am glad I did. I also took an mp3 player rand listened to music while I had my fillings done and it was no where near as scary as I had expected wihtout the sedation.

My ultimate advice to you would be to see a counseller to get to the bottom of your fears as it is fear that seems to be driving you and they will help you find out where it stems from

Sorry for rambling.

Ephiny · 24/12/2010 22:55

Yes those things definitely do sound abusive to me actually. The 'experimentation' thing might be normal in a different context, but with an older boy who was aggressive and violent towards you? The incidents with your teacher and boss are clearly harrassment and sexual/physical assault, and no one should be hurting you and making you cry during sex :(, maybe that's not technically rape but it's not OK either.

Have you considered talking to someone in real life about these things, e.g. a counsellor? Especially as it seems to be still affecting you, e.g. the phobias and nightmares. I'm sure they wouldn't dismiss any of your experiences or suggest they don't 'count', if that's something you're worried about.

thenightsky · 24/12/2010 23:22

Your link describes me to a tee.

I don't know why though.

I'd rather give birth than visit a dentist.

I have nightmares about all my teeth falling out Sad

Wish I could find a lady dentist I could be 'safe' with.

singingcat · 24/12/2010 23:37

I have a counsellor but tbh I don't get along with him that much. It's like he decides what he's interested in and what he wants me to talk about, and if I try to talk about something else he isn't interested.

Thenightsky, I know what you mean about would rather give birth. Because I feel like you are a 'good girl' for being pregnant and having a baby, plus you get a baby at the end of it, whereas at the dentist I feel like I've done something wrong and that's why I'm there. I get hysterically upset.

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thenightsky · 24/12/2010 23:41

singingcat- at least you get to the dentist.... I haven't been there since 1976 or something Shock

I think you should pat yourself on the back at how brave you are!

PixieOnaLeaf · 24/12/2010 23:50

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QueenofWhatever · 25/12/2010 17:08

I am another dental phobic and I was sexually abused, but couldn't recall my memories until last year. That link is spooky, I too tick every box. I still get sedated but did manage to have a female dentist take some imprssions earlier this month. OK, pulled it out and threw it across the room at the end, but she got what she needed!

If you do not feel your counsellor is helping you or is on your side, I would strongly suggest you see a different one. I found EMDR very helpful, as do many other people who have been abused.

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