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Can you help me get on better with my husband?

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someadvicefromthewise · 16/12/2010 18:41

Any tips anyone for a happier relationship? I love my dh, he's a really good person, and we've had wonderful times together, but we're in a bit of a negative cycle at the moment and I want to jump out of it. I'd be grateful for advice and views.

To start with - mea culpa too - I'm not Mrs Cheerful, we've moved to a new country for his job and I never really wanted to be here and don't like it much. I was down for a while because I didn't have a job, and then (now) got a job that I hate, which is not much better, though at least it's paid!

So I'm in that miserable cycle where you feel like you're at the bottom of a hole and can't get out. Does anyone know what I mean? Every day is a bit of an effort, like low-grade pmt. So on top of that, he's stressed out by work. We get up at 6.30 latest as I need the time to get everyone ready (3 primary school children).

He never gets home before 9.30pm unless I call to say someone's had an accident or something, so we have approx 1hr before I want to go to bed as I feel even worse if I don't get my sleep. I never complain about these long working hours, I know that's the way it goes with the sort of job he's doing, and I've accepted that. But it's still quite hard. He always wants to talk about the mortgage or tax arrangements or something, and that's all our time on horrible admin. So we hardly ever do things together or even go to bed at the same time. Stupid example, but we started watching a really good old box set DVD series together the other night. The episodes are really long, so episode 1 finished and it was about 11.45. Time to go to sleep right? But then he watched the next one while I was asleep and has carried on without me! Grrr.

We also keep falling out over holidays. He seems to think that I am the holiday organiser, though I loathe organising holidays (or anything) with great passion, as I have explained in detail a million times. He does nothing to organise them, can't decide where he wants to go until the last minute when it's really expensive, then holds up all the arrangments with much sucking of teeth over the cost. It's dreadful, Gah!

Everything's a row or tense at the moment. Dumb things like it annoys me that he always steps out of the shower without drying at all, soaking the bath mat and floor etc, which dries with difficulty as our house is so cold. I try in the most polite ways to say 'It would be helpful if you dried before stepping out of the shower, so as not to soak everything' and he gets cross and imperious and says I'm being 'invasive'. But isn't it also invasive to leave me with a bathroom that's soaking, with skidmarks in the loo, dirty socks on the floor etc? Likewise I'm apparently being a really tiresome nag when I ask him not to fart in bed or pick bits off his toenails in bed. Please give me an honest view - is this really fusspot-like? (Assume that I'm not particularly fastidious, just prefer not to lie in bed with someone who is picking their toenails and farting).

What shall I do, wise ones? I don't need to make a stand, he's a good person, but we're in a rut. I called him yesterday at the office to say I was fed up and we had to do something constructive. We agreed we should go out once per week and do something like get a theatre subscription, so we have more different kinds of things to do that come round semi-automatically. We also agreed that we would find a place to do ballroom dancing (which is sort of how we met/got together). But we've just had another really tense conversation.

He's terrible about doing that competitive tiredness/business thing too, like emphasising how much he's doing about the mortgage renegotiation etc. It's so pointless - I do all the children stuff and work full time too, plus managing everything that's house/food/whatever. He works long hours and does stuff like the mortgage renegotiation. I'm sure if we were in the right place we would spend more time appreciating each other's good points and hard work, and much less being irritated.

What to do??

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Notevenamouse · 16/12/2010 18:45

It sounds pretty miserable do you have to stay there and live like this. You could suggest that you all run away and try somthing else Grin Sorry not very helpful but I would be unresonably grumpy in the same position I think you are a saint.

Notevenamouse · 16/12/2010 18:46

Sorry about my typing I have a cat on the keyboard.

someadvicefromthewise · 16/12/2010 18:49

Should add, in case it sounds like I'm a slave, that the kids get home at 5pm on school bus and we have a 4hr/day housekeeper to actually do the cleaning and ironing, sometimes cooking etc, so what I do is just manage everything that's house stuff, plus actually looking after kids/homework etc and all the school stuff and dealing with illnesses and doctors or whatever.. Dh doesn't have to think about all that at all.

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someadvicefromthewise · 16/12/2010 18:50

And the dog, I forgot the dog! But he's my dog and I love him Smile

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GraceAwayInAManger · 16/12/2010 19:36

I think he sounds like a bit of a prat though not terrible. You sound utterly knackered, in quite a bad way. So: Have you talked to him properly about all this? And have you been to your doctor?

Bonsoir · 16/12/2010 19:51

You aren't spending enough time together having fun. It sounds quite a bit like it's all work and no play at the moment. We have had extra stresses recently for similar reasons - the economic crisis has meant a lot more work than usual for my DP - and we had a few dreadful weekends when the DSSs were around when I just couldn't wait for Monday and some space for me, which isn't how I want things to be. But I don't WOHM, so I have more leverage over my own time.

Going out together without children to a nice romantic film and a sexy bar or restaurant is a very good idea, providing you aren't too shattered to really enjoy it properly. Going shopping for each other together (clothes and toys) without children also works very well for us as a boost - it's nice to engineer situations where you can compliment one another on how great you look!

One other thought: when I look around at the couples I know who have issues, it's very often because their lives have got too much for them to manage comfortably - too many hours at work, too many children, too many houses... they have overstretched their own capabilities. Might that be your case?

Bonsoir · 16/12/2010 19:57

Oh - and the disgusting personal habits would be a total deal breaker as far as I'm concerned. I come down on those with a ton of bricks, albeit using humour rather than nagging. I presume you don't have disgusting personal habits yourself and that you can legitimately ask your DH whether he would find you sexy if you did...

coffeeinbed · 16/12/2010 19:58

How long ago did you move?
It's a huge stress factor, but it gets better - I promise!-
so once the unhapiness of being somewhere you begin to initialy hated settle, will that then help a bit?

lagrandissima · 16/12/2010 20:06

I agree with GraceAwayInAManger. He doesn't sound terrible - but you do sound like you've lost sight of each other amidst all the routine chores of life. Don't beat yourself up about that - I would imagine that most couples with young children are, to a greater or lesser extent, in a similar place some or most of the time.

Would some sort of counselling be an option? Sometimes getting some perspective from an impartial 3rd party might help you get some ideas on how to refocus your relationship.

If that's not a goer, could you sit down and negotiate a short set of new 'rules' that you will try to adhere to, e.g. eating with each other X times per week (not on a tray infront of the telly); going to bed at the same time X times per week - not necessarily for nookie, but just to chat/cuddle; going out once a fortnight/month/whatever you can afford/arrange.

Most relationships change with the arrival of kids, and it's difficult to un-establish roles & responsibilities once they have become the pattern of your daily life. Perhaps you need to see if there are any responsibilities that you could swap (either permanently or for a short period - just to give each other a taste of how the other partner might feel).

And perhaps try to do something once a month as a family, as it sounds like the children might be being sidelined by your DH's career too. It must be hard to see the wood for the trees if you feel you are working to support your family and provide a certain lifestyle - but it is easy to lose touch with the very people for whom you're doing it.

someadvicefromthewise · 16/12/2010 20:22

You are all right about the problem I think. We are overstretched, and it feels a bit pointless. I think we should downsize our lives - we've really taken on too much.

Actually you've all made me think that we do understand each other for the most part really well - we know each other's jobs well as we do things that aren't dissimilar, and he finds looking after children very exhausting, so genuinely appreciates my work there.

I think I need to do some more concrete planning of fun couple time and fun family time, so weekends etc don't disappear in a sea of chores and taxi-ing children around. I also need to go the doctor and talk about my perennial downbeat feelings - dh would absolutely encourage this for sure.

The personal habits are more difficult. He's a smart professional to the outside world, but at home has increasingly lapsed into slobby habits, that I do find disrespectful. Nothing appalling, but nose picking as well as the feet picking, eating with his mouth open, not rinsing the toothpaste spit out of the basin. Lots of little things, but if I mention any of them he gets really annoyed. I realise it's annoying to be pulled up on a bad habit, but I don't think it should be beyond him to realise that if he eats with his mouth open, I'm looking at and listening to his chewed food, and that's annoying for me too. Have any of you ever broached such things successfully.

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proudnscary · 16/12/2010 20:23

I sympathise to a point, but you sound a bit spoilt.

So basically you are busy working parents (tick - dh and I too), you have domestic help, you have what sounds like a nice lifestyle materially and the worst you have to worry about is a husband who has a few dubious hygiene habits and who is preoccupied about the mortgage (sounds like all men to me).

Count your blessings, start doing those things you want to do with him, so what if you arrange the holidsys? - you go on holidays!

View your life from a different angle, make a few changes and enjoy your life. It could be so so much worse.

GraceAwayInAManger · 16/12/2010 20:27

He's a smart professional to the outside world, but at home has increasingly lapsed into slobby habits

Makes me think he's feeling the strain, too.

I reckon the pair of you would benefit from all the advice in this thread, hopefully leading to an agreement on taking your feet off the pedal somewhat.

Hope you'll keep posting :)

someadvicefromthewise · 16/12/2010 20:27

I know all that proudnscary, I'm not complaining about my life. I'm just feeling really down, and not really getting on with my husband, and it's been going on for a while, and I'm not making much progress in trying to make it better. There's not much point having domestic help and holidays (which we never go on because of the problems cited above - another cause of tension) if you feel completely miserable all the time, is there?

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Bonsoir · 16/12/2010 20:29

Out of interest, do your children have the bad slobby habits that your DH has?

My DP doesn't have serious slobby habits and he is very aware of his children's bad habits and picks them up on them all the time, which enables me to pick him up on bad habits from time to time ("How can you expect the DSSs to make their beds/leave the loo clean/hang up their towel if you don't give them the right example"). I do let some things go (he never really leaves the bath or basin or loo as clean as I think he should) because that's life and he is pretty generous to me! I work on the things I cannot stand - yucky feet, nose hair, that kind of stuff I have tackled and vanquished.

Gosh, not sure how he'd feel if he knew I was publishing this to the whole world.

moondog · 16/12/2010 20:30

Read this for a start.

Bonsoir · 16/12/2010 20:30

I can send you a list of all the best hotels we've been to in Europe with the DCs over the past 5 years to inspire you, if you'd like - makes holiday planning so much easier to have recommendations!

someadvicefromthewise · 16/12/2010 20:31

Grace, you are wise.

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someadvicefromthewise · 16/12/2010 20:32

Yes please Bonsoir! Rofl at vanquishing nose hair Grin

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Silkstalkings · 16/12/2010 20:33

Wouldn't hurt to have a look on Rightmove, or whatever your local equivalent is. And buy him some Tom Hodgkinson for Christmas. Was your job essential financially or just personally? If the latter, why not find something more fun with less money?

someadvicefromthewise · 16/12/2010 20:33

Moondog I was reading that this morning and trying to work out how to apply it to the bath/shower situation Wink. I might go and pick it back up now.

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proudnscary · 16/12/2010 20:39

OK someadvice, I know you are down hence the slice of sympathy I feel. But what you have presented in your OP is a lot of stuff that is not worth sweating.

So it's either a case of seeing your GP because you may be a bit depressed and it's nothing really to do with dh, or you view your marriage more postively and check your moods/responses to him etc.

JarethTheGoblinKing · 16/12/2010 20:44

gah, there's always one.

OP - Why is the mortgage constantly up for discussion? You mentioned it so many times in your post I'm wondering why it's such a hot topic? If he's dealing with it then why can't he research it, apply, and deal it it.. doesn't need to take long or be such a big deal.

I think that (and I'm bad at this too) that picking up on things like the wet floor in the bathroom, socks on the floor probably isn't a great way of dealing with things Wink especially if you only have an hour each day to spend together.. pick your battles and all that. Like I said - I'm bad at that too and have recently had a screaming argument with DP because he insists on taking all the pegs in the hall with his coats/hats/scarves and I have to move everything before I can hang anything up. Tiny, it doesn't matter, but I appreciate how much small things like this every day really really grind you down and get to you.

I don't think his habits are particularly disgusting (aside from the feet picking)... but then I'm a bigger farter than DP Grin

We're in a similar situation to you; DP works all hours, I work part time but recently working all hours too, yet I'm doing all the house/kids stuff, organising everything (don't even bloody talk to me about Christmas!!) yet he's the one that's tired and overworked.. so I get where you're coming from.. It's really easy to just nitpick at each other, isn't it? Sounds like you need to spend some time together that isn't just talking about money/holidays/mortgage

SonicMiddleAge · 17/12/2010 01:55

oh god, my life's like this to, and tonight I need to make dh sit down and do tax returns...

deepheat · 17/12/2010 08:39

Sorry for your situation OP. Does sound like you're both in a bit of a bad cycle. From how you are recounting his moans, they sound similar to yours but with work replacing kids, mortgage replacing holiday etc. In a way, this may be a good thing, as there should be some motivation for both of you to effect some change. Its hard to be specific when you don't really know a couple, but some good ground rules:

  • Establish some protected time together. Could be in the evenings, could be that he takes a holiday, whatever. But let him know that you're just really keen to have some time with him because you love him. In your head, have some possible plans for this time: DVD, meal, sex, basically anything that can prevent it just drifting into admin time.
  • Work out what you can control about your situation. Once you have done this, start to make some small changes. There's no value in worrying about the things you can't control - it will deepen your negative feelings at the moment and is a common route to depression.
  • Don't look for compromises with your husband. Realise this is a little against the grain for relationship advice but me and wifey did some marriage prep before we tied the knot some years ago and this was the best advice we ever received. So many couples have only a small overlap in the things they enjoy and often try and find some 'in between' activity to do together that neither of them properly enjoy but neither of them dislike either. These days for e.g., my wife will watch football with me - she hates the sport - and I'll go shopping with her - I hate shopping. Technically, this shouldn't work but because one of us is having a great time it actually makes the other happy as well and becomes proper quality time. One person has to make a sacrifice every now and again but it is invariably worth it.
  • Work out what are the important issues to focus on and what you can ignore for the time being (e.g. wet bathroom floor?) and make a conscious decision not to get wound up about them. You can't sort out little things when there are big things hanging over your heads.
  • In terms of improving communication, look up some things like active or reflective listening. Relatively simple techniques that can improve relationships a great deal if you use them.

All the best.

someadvicefromthewise · 17/12/2010 11:10

thanks to everyone, you have a lot of good ideas. I think something that bothers me is dh's lack of reflective/active listening skills. But I did suggest we do a couple's coaching course (I am a big fan of coaching and he is quite interested) so that would be a way of getting him to think about it.

It's not things like the bathroom floor per se that annoy me. It's more the fact that when I say nicely that it would be nice if he'd dry his feet he gets all cross with me for 'being invasive'. I don't like being expected always to be the accommodating one. For example, We always have dinner together, as I thiknk that's important, but that means that I have dinner at 9.45pm every day, which is not my preference.

But anyway, lots of good ideas and thank you for them.

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