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For the past year I've thought about someone else. He's why (long, sorry).

38 replies

JustNotThatIntoMe · 13/12/2010 22:13

I will try to paraphrase much of this because there's so much to say I don't know where to start.

Background: DH and been together 20 years, married 13. Two DCS, age 3 and 18 months.

We met when we both worked in high powered creative jobs. We earned decent money, had a great lifestyle. I fancied the pants off him.
I couldn't believe my luck when I bagged the office 'hottie' and when he quickly confessed he was falling for me. It was all so easy. He was The One.

Gradually, as the honeymoon period wore off, I started to see he did have flaws (as do we all). He can be very moody. Extremely stubborn. Selfish. Critical. Patronising in the extreme. But I was so into other aspects of him (his gorgeous rock star looks, his rebellious personality, his intelligence, his morals, his love for me) I didn't really care back then.

Fast forward a few years. We'd set the date for our wedding but the alarm bells were ringing. (He can be very controlling - he dictated what kind of wedding it was going to be because he wasn't that bothered about marriage, so therefore we had to do it his way. No guests. No fuss. It was a huge effort to cajole him along.) Then I got diagnosed with cancer. He was my rock. He was amazing. Suddenly, all the stuff I'd worried about didn't seem to matter. I didn't care what kind of wedding we had. So we slid off and married without telling anyone and at the time I couldn't have been happier.

Fast forward again. Once I got the all clear a few years down the track I started thinking about kids. It didn't happen. He couldn't take having his masculinity questioned. It was easier to blame me. My confidence in myself, my femininity and my body was slipping further and further away. It killed our sex life, although to be honest apart from the early days it was never great. But I was obsessed with babies. I cajoled him into IVF. I kept miscarrying. We decided enough was enough and discussed divorce but decided without the pressure of trying for a baby perhaps we could save our relationship.

Six weeks later I found out I was pregnant. Emotionally reeling but I didn't miscarry and I went on to have a healthy baby. I struggled in the early weeks. One night, when the baby was crying, he blew up at me and hit me with the bombshell: he was sick of being the carer, the one in the support role, the focus always being on me and my health, always waiting for things to get better but they never did. Every day he fantasised about leaving me.

At that point I fell apart and was diagnosed with PND.

Fast forward again. I got better. We wobbled along but I never really recovered from what he said to me. I felt self conscious on the rare occasions he'd touch me - it was pretty much only if he wanted sex and often if when he was drunk.

We had our one and only night away since the baby was born and we both relaxed and laughed in each other's company like we hadn't done in years. We had what was probably the most fantastic sex we've ever had.

I discovered I was pregnant again.

We had two babies under 18 months old. We moved to be nearer my family for support. He was seething with resentment. The traits in him that I didn't like got much worse - always criticising, talking down to me, making me feel like something he'd stepped in simply for being in the same room. After months of walking on eggshells I snapped. I told him I was done with him talking to me like that. I said being single couldn't possibly be any worse than being made to feel the way I did each day.

It shocked him into changing. He finally agreed to Relate. He admitted his behaviour had been terrible. He stopped being so negative and critical. He confessed he doesn't feel the same about me since I lost my drive and walked away from a well paid career. The counsellor said there is so much resentment on both sides we have built up a massive brick wall between us. But, as she put it, we're fighters. We wobbled along for a bit more.

Now the bit I've posted about a couple of other times. In the midst of all this someone from my past made contact with me. Someone I'd always had a soft spot for but admittedly not really thought much about, until now. We quickly moved from friendly chat to flirty emails and phone calls. We met once, for a coffee. He was just as lovely as I remembered and we had so much more in common than either of us could have imagined. I could see I was falling for him and he told me he'd been searching for two years since his wife left and now here was someone he finally clicked with and he couldn't have because I was married. So I stopped contact. He initiated contact with me a couple more times but basically ended up, I think, getting bored, and eventually, once my head was well and truly turned, he simply stopped replying to my messages.

I'm ashamed to say this all happened in the first part of the year and yet even though he basically ended up shitting on me from a great height I STILL think about him all the time.

So much so I eventually confessed it all to my DH. He knew we'd met and says he'd suspected something was up, but he was amazingly understanding. He said he couldn't be the husband I need and no longer is in love with me, so could totally see why I would have fallen for someone else making a play for me. As long as nothing physical had happened (it hadn't) he was cool with it and he thought we should just move on and forget it, and hope things between us improve in the future.

Whilst it was good of him to be so understanding, my gut feeling is that he found it a bit TOO easy to forgive and forget. Basically, it seems to me that he doesn't care enough as long as I haven't actually walked out or shagged someone else.

So that's where I am. I'm sorry this is so long but I got a pasting when I gave the much abbreviated version and I realise I was being a complete arse in that I was making out I was the helpless victim here.

I'm not looking for sympathy. I know I did wrong and I know I am responsible for getting emotionally tangled up with someone else. I also know it's not about wanting him, not really, it's about what's missing from my marriage and also what's going on in my head.

I guess I just want some help moving on and working out how I can sort myself out and how to stop something like this happening again. I know on many levels it makes sense for us to stay together - for the kids, financially, possibly for the two of us if we can ride this out, but all I know is that emotionally I have been totally absent this year and I am still thinking about the other man to a ridiculously unhealthy degree. I am a much more sexual being than I cared to think and the urge to go out and shag this man was so strong it was frightening. It was as if this emotional affair awakened this side of me that has been dormant for years.

Finally, the one thing I am going to say that I may well (and probably rightly) be given a bollocking for: I am frequently complimented on how I look and I try to take care of myself as much as I can with two small children and not much time or money. I feel my DH barely notices yet everyone else seems to, and, more than that, he seems to think it's ok to have turned into a very overweight, bearded slob (someone jokingly said he resembles the man from the mountains) in saggy jogging bottoms all the time. I know how gorgeous he can look with a decent haircut and some fresh clothes. But it's like the more I say stuff like that, the more he rebels in a 'fuck you' kind of way.

Oh, help.

If anyone is still reading, your opinions would be very much appreciated.

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JustNotThatIntoMe · 14/12/2010 00:09

animula, thanks. I think our Relate counsellor was a bit crap to be honest.

I have lots to think about. But thank you so much for your time and your thoughts. It's all pretty confronting but, I can see, really necessary.

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JustNotThatIntoMe · 14/12/2010 00:10

CDs??? I meant, of course, DCs.

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animula · 14/12/2010 00:10

Before you go, please re-read what Dione wrote about not beating yourself up and surviving. And believe it.

DioneTheDiabolist · 14/12/2010 00:18

No you don't need a shrink. But you could probably do with one. It doesn't mean that you can't cope. It doesn't mean that you are a bad person. It certainly does not mean that you are self indulgent or bad.

It does mean that you have had a lot happen. You are confused. You need a bit of help to work things out. Would you feel the same way about going to a dentist or optician. They are not necessary to survival, but the help they can provide is immesurable and they can improve life no end.

You are not weak or sick because you go to counselling. You are admitting that your life can be better and you want it to be better. For everyone. Get the referral, make the appointment. You have nothing to lose.

differentnameforthis · 14/12/2010 02:40

I think your DH is well and truly worn out by your constant need for breathless sensationalism

WOW!!! So Cancer, PND & Infertility, coupled with IVF & repeat miscarriages is all 'breathless sensationalism" is it? What tripe!

The OP had no control over any of that, so I don't see how it is sensationalism at all!

OP, this stood out for me, to begin with.

We had our one and only night away since the baby was born and we both relaxed and laughed in each other's company like we hadn't done in years. We had what was probably the most fantastic sex we've ever had

It is possible, that having been through babies, cancer, PND, infertility, IVF & the miscarriages, that you & your dh have lost yourselves? You remembered while away who you were, maybe you need more time as the people you are, not just as mummy & daddy?

I can see why he blew up saying about being fed up of being the carer etc. I am not excusing it, but it can be very difficult getting through cancer with someone & then seeing them suffer miscarriages, infertility, pnd. I would wonder if that was him hitting out at the circumstance you had both been through, not at you. Maybe it was that it was easier to direct it at you, because he couldn't direct it anywhere else? I am not saying that you didn't have it difficult, just that he needed that realise...ohh I don't know if what I am saying makes sense.

Just that, when we go through crap & everything gets on top of us, we hit out. At the closest to us. No excusing what he said, but I can understand the 'end of my tether' thing that he may have felt.

I am concerned that he said he didn't love you any more & you seem to be OK with that. I wonder if that is because of his past abusive behaviour. Criticizing, moody, stubborn, patronising etc...that you are pretty much conditioned to this from him?

I think before you do anything, make any decisions that YOU need to decide if you can live without being loved. Then base what you do next, on that.

I don't know if I could stay. I would feel that if he didn't love me, he wouldn't respect me & I couldn't raise children in that environment.

differentnameforthis · 14/12/2010 03:08

Reading the rest of your replies....could the 'I don't love you' be a red herring? Could he br protecting himself by saying this. In that, if you do decide this guy was worth it & off you go...that would be ok for him, because he 'doesn't love you'

a very overweight, bearded slob (someone jokingly said he resembles the man from the mountains) in saggy jogging bottoms all the time

Could he be depressed? Not caring about his appearance, not wanting to discuss your joint issues? After all, he had been through a hell of a lot too.

JustNotThatIntoMe · 14/12/2010 09:15

different name, thanks for posting - a v quick reply for now as am about to take kids to christmas party. yes dh freely admits to being depressed at the start of the year but not now and even if i raise it he resolutely refuses to do anything about it in the infuriatingly typical male way. after much thought last night i am going to try and talk to him about how HE sees things and how all this has been for HIM and really listen to what he tells me and see if i can unravel where this 'i'm not in love with you' bombshell came from. i have asked him about it since as i have understandably been dwelling on it and he's since tried to play it down and qualify it by saying stuff like 'i love our family and you in a friends way but i'm not actively in love with you and i do feel we can get that back'.

must go - i will come back tonight. thank you for your thoughts.

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Conflugenglugen · 14/12/2010 17:39

Just - I am with animula and Dione all the way.

Get yourself a good therapist, registered with one of the principal accrediting bodies: UKCP, SAP, BACP. I have a feeling that you would benefit most from one who focuses on what's known as "depth therapy", i.e. therapy that explores emotions and relationships from your childhood. Some therapists will want to see you once a week; it isn't unusual to see someone more than this, depending on the form of therapy you choose (psychoanalysis, for example).

This could be liberating for you, no matter what happens in your marriage.

I wish you all the best!

JustNotThatIntoMe · 14/12/2010 20:33

Conflugenglugen, thanks for a steer on what kind of therapy to look for. I really think I need to explore this option before I go making any major decisions regarding DH and my future. I'm not thinking with any clarity right now. I can, at least, see that. The decisions I have made this year, and the situation I got myself into, are proof of that.

Again, thank you to everyone for your advice and good wishes. I hope I can turn things around in 2011.

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DioneTheDiabolist · 15/12/2010 23:37

Just, I just wanted you to know that I am in therapy. Yes there is still a bit of stigma around it, but it can be brilliant. I am not in it for any specific reason but the benefits I get are more than I expected (have lost 1lb per week, despite not having any weight issues) and I am happier and freer in my day to day life. My DS is really benefitting from the change in me, it is somehow allowing me to be spend more quality time with him (probably because I now know that if ishoos come up I have a time and place to deal with them).

If I can add to Conflugenglugen's excellent advice to check out the BACP website for qualified, accreditted counsellors....I think you could do with a psychotherapist. They are more capable with dealing with "depth" than regular counsellors, who tend to concentrate on the present and the future.

Good luck and don't worry about others. Get help for yourself and it will have a positive knock on effect your nearest and dearest.

Conflugenglugen · 16/12/2010 21:00

Just - I'm in therapy too. With a psychotherapist. I'm also training to be a psychotherapist. Just so there's full disclosure. I'm definitely not an impartial commenter!

JustNotThatIntoMe · 16/12/2010 21:36

Dione, thanks for sharing that you're in therapy - and for being so inspiring about the benefits. It really struck a chord with me that you said your DS is benefiting because you're spending quality time with him. I have most definitely been emotionally absent for much of this year and I feel terribly guilty towards our DCs about that.

I must admit I've been getting tempted to stick my head back in the sand over the past couple of days, but your post has given me a bit of boost towards doing something again. Apathy/being frozen into inaction over virtually every aspect of my life seems to have taken over this year and yet I know I need to stop rationalising/hiding and just get on with it all in order to start moving on and sorting myself out.

Conflugenglugen, thank you too! It does actually help to know that your thoughts are coming from someone 'in the know'. Again, another push in the right direction.

I think another one of the reasons I am reluctant to commit and also to raise it with DH as it will most likely reinforce in his mind that it's still all about me and my issues (health, emotional, whatever) while he has to take a back seat. Which is basically the major reason he seems to have fallen out of love with me.

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jasper · 17/12/2010 01:10

I always feel that on the relationship threads that we have an incomplete picture as we are only hearing one side of the story, and never more strongly than in this situation.
OP I wish you well

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