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at a total loss (long, sorry)

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DiamondShoes · 05/12/2010 04:14

I've posted about this issue a couple of times in the past with different names.

Long story short; DH and I have sex issues. I had sex I didn't want (poss. PND killed my libido), out of sense of 'duty' or hoping that I'd suddenly start wanting it by having it. This led to resentment. I decided it was becoming a major issue (I started dreading him touching me and foresaw a life where I never enjoyed sex again - have totally lost any body confidence etc).

Broached the subject with DH who took it very personally despite my attempts at explaining. "You've been hating sex with me for the past year", "now you're telling me you feel sick when I touch you", "I'm so sad you hate me".

Not very productive but I understand that I basically dumped this on him when he thought everything was fine.

That's another issue actually. I find it hard to believe, truly believe, that he did think everything was fine and normal. Towards the end (before I decided to talk about it), I was I now see trying to make it clear that my heart wasn't in it. This probably backfired in all sorts of ways, but there you go.

Anyway. We had discussion after discussion - all started by me - about this issue and what we could do. DH very negative, sees it as a rejection of him. Every time I tried to discuss my feelings he'd close down the conversation. Not sure if he was angry or guilty or what.

At the same time, I was getting angrier. I don't know if that was fair - basically I told him that I hadn't wanted to have sex for the past year, that's a big deal, he must feel really betrayed and lied to (which he was). I do see that. But he was so disinterested in working on it. We had the first talk months and months ago - eight months? And I've always been consistent and explained whenever I could.

And he's still going on about us never having sex (so I say "do you want me to have sex I don't want?", and he says "no! But I am really depressed that you don't want me") - and won't do anything about it. Won't agree to sexual touching without progression to intercourse, just doesn't touch me. It's really upsetting me and I am getting so frustrated. Surely he should want to help me improve things?

So I have been asking that we seek counselling for, well, months. He has finally come round after a 'breakthrough' conversation a couple of weeks ago where I was able to give him a recent example of the behaviour which is making me scared to try and do anything sexual in case he takes it too far too fast.

(I was drying my hair, naked in the kitchen. He walked past and kissed my neck. I responded by pressing against him and stroking his arm. He grabbed at my crotch and tried to put a finger inside me).

I gave him that example and he was visibly surprised and agreed that was inappropriate and - later in the same conversation - that we could see a counsellor. Actually making it happen is a whole other thing due to time and finances but I felt great that he'd finally said okay and seemed open to productive discussion withoug acting the victim.

But how can I desire someone who'd act like that? I can't say that to him anymore - whenever I have, he's just heard "I don't desire you", and gone off on one.

Anyway, he came home from a work xmas do last night. I was feeling really good - he'd texted me to keep me informed, wasn't falling-down drunk and was home at a reasonable hour. This is in stark contrast to last year when he was brought home at 4am by a colleague after getting blind, blind drunk in a bar after the do.

I thought wow, maybe he's actually understanding that I need to feel respected and that's how I feel respected, by him acting in a considerate manner (he doesn't think my requests are reasonable so it matters that he complied with them).

We chatted, he'd brought me some corporate gifts home (edible), and gone to a lot of trouble stealing the ones I'd like best. He was lovely.

Went to bed and he said he was "feeling amarous" and I was too, actually. It started well - he said "I know it's been a while so I'll take it slow".

But then the second we started it was just like the bad old days. He took offence halfway through because I was "looking like I was hating it", which made me feel really selfconscious. I explained that I was a bit uncomfortable (I was on top and he had moved me into a position which was uncomfortable). So we changed position and that was much better and I actually began to enjoy myself... But he was just pumping away, and then he came and just kept pumping away - way back when, it would've been my turn then. I guess him still being hard meant it was still all about him? I said it was sore and could we stop. He said of course, apologised, cuddled up and after whining about his erection a bit more he went to sleep.

I thought it had gone alright.

But the next day he was grumpy, and when I challenged him he said that I had told him (in so many words, apparently), that I had hated the sex and what was the point and everything he did was wrong and I clearly found him repulsive.

I challenged him - as that wasn't what had happened at all - and he eventually said "well you probably remember better than I do, but fine".

I am left really confused and bereft. Surely if he wants to have sex, he'd try to make it a nice experience? Why is he inventing conversations when I tell him I hated it? Why is it so important to him that I am always rejecting him?

(I'm not, anymore - last night was the first time he's tried to do anything, my responding was a big step for me).

I am gutted, frankly. What has he got invested in me being the bad guy? Am I never going to have good sex with the man I love again?

I'm really not sure where to go with this, now. I was thinking relate but maybe a sex therapist?

It's so, so depressing. It's 4am and I can't sleep for, well, hating him, really. Last night could've been a breakthrough and he's decided it was another rejection and invented a whole scenario!

It's just not right, is it. But I don't know what to do.

OP posts:
Tortington · 05/12/2010 04:23

yes counselling. clear communication issues.

DiamondShoes · 05/12/2010 04:31

What kind, though? I have no experience of this at all (though I've been reading a lot, which has really helped me).

DH has previously said very negative things about counselling so I am worried he'll take any excuse (like not getting the right counsellor first time), to not engage.

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Tortington · 05/12/2010 04:35

relate do sexual counselling.

now you either can be arsed or cant be arsed to fic your marriage ( both of you) if someone said that for 30 pw and onne hour...you could improve your marriage - you just would

but call it relate and suddenly 30 is too much - 30 to fix your marriage is nothing.

if he doesnt want to go, then he doesn'tt want to fix it

sounds like you have sexual issues and he likes being a martyr, he sounds like he has a very teenage attitude tbh,

DiamondShoes · 05/12/2010 04:46

I am wondering if he has ishoos about sex/being rejected/sex = love.

Fine and good if he's happy to discuss it. Which he's not - every time we get to something 'meaty' he says something along the lines of "okay, I'm a terrible person, whatever".

Problems he has found with relate:

  • what if we know them (live in a smallish town, surprising number of relate counsellors in walking distance).
  • they are all women so will say he is a terrible person
  • if we have to pay someone to help us with our marriage then what's the point, it's clearly not working.

It's all bollocks isn't it.

But the flow chart scares me - I can't (now I am self-aware), go back to just having sex and I don't want to never have sex again so I am clinging to going to counselling and it working (DH taking part actively), because it seems like all roads lead to breaking up otherwise.

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DiamondShoes · 05/12/2010 04:53

£65 for an hour with our nearest relate counsellor!

£65!

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DooinMeCleanin · 05/12/2010 05:00

£65 to save your marrige? Still sound so bad?

I am in a reltionship I want out of yesterday, yours does not sound like that. Save yourself the heartache and get the counselling, my love.

Tortington · 05/12/2010 05:02

well unless things have changed it was a contribution based on your declared - to them - earnings - they didn't ask for wage slips or anything.

id save up 65 for my marriage, i;d go without the internet and tv, i would go without biscuits and chocolate and i would go without new clothes, sky tv,

Tortington · 05/12/2010 05:03

turning it on its head - can you imagine starting a thread with the title

'i could have saved my marriage but i didn't have £65'

DiamondShoes · 05/12/2010 05:11

We have £65 (just, things are pretty tight).

Not sure we have £65 x however long it takes.

I'd spend any money, but it's not just me, is it.

I'm going by her website and have mailed to ask about sliding scales etc.

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DooinMeCleanin · 05/12/2010 05:15

You want to try. He sounds like he wants to try. It's worth trying, really it is. Before it is too late.

DiamondShoes · 05/12/2010 05:20

Yeah, I do know. But it feels like there is such a lot at stake. I am shitting myself. I'm sure when it comes down to it he'd do anything in his power. But knowing he doesn't agree that counselling will help makes me feel a bit gah.

I think I'll see if I can see her first by myself? She's a tenner cheaper in the daytimes Wink

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robberbutton · 05/12/2010 07:56

I've felt similarly to you about sex at various points throughout my marriage. I think for me it definitely was about communication. I didn't know that at the time but have realised it since finding out about DH's affair. Since then we have both poured our hearts out to each other, saying things we have thought and felt going back to the honeymoon and before! We have never talked like this before, and our sex life is completely transformed. Part of it is 'hysterical bonding', part of the aftermath of affair discovery, but part of it is definitely the revelation of what it feels like to exactly what is on his mind and heart.

We got to this point in the most horrendous way imaginable- please take the opportunity to achieve it with counselling rather than having your heart ripped to shreds!

robberbutton · 05/12/2010 07:58

That should be "know exactly".

newnamethistime · 05/12/2010 08:25

I felt exactly the way you have - while my H was being verbally and emotionally abusive.

H would always blame everything on the my lack of libido.

For some reason I found it very hard to articulate that even if he was nice on a particular night (to get sex), that didn't make up for the verbal/emotional pummeling we all went through earlier during the week.

Now I realise that it's very difficult to feel sexually attracted to someone that regularly makes you feel bad (and then denies and argues his way out of it so everything was my fault - as usual).

My libido only started coming back after H admitted that much of his behaviour was abusive and started therapy for himself

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