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My Brother the Alcoholic

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FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 03/12/2010 20:09

I wrote the most epic post about this, and realised I am giving my entire life story and don't want to do that. So let's see if I can summarise. I am a name-change due to the personal nature of this, but I am stuck as to what to do for the best and am wracked with guilt, and a bit of anger about what my heart and head are telling (conflicting).

My family is a bit screwed, thanks to an alcoholic father who left his family in a fucking mess while he drunk himself into a grave. my brother blamed my mother, their relationship was a love/hate one, she was there for him, he kicked her when she was down, she forgave him, he continued to use/abuse her, and finally, something happened which meant they cut ties. No-one would tell me what happened, i have some suspicions it was possibly violence related, but no proof other than the determination of my mother never to see him again. My mother developed terminal cancer and refused to contact him (no one knew where he was, so they claimed, later found to be untrue). She cut him out of her will, despite there not being very much in it, and gave me some personal things she wanted him to have before she died. I think she did not want him to have any of the little money she would leave.

Mum died without making up with him, resolute she could not help him and did not want to see him. My sister was insistent he was not to attend the funeral, then within 2 days of it, she had strangely found him through the police and contacted him to tell him that not only did he not get to say goodbye/make amends, but he missed the funeral too, a deliberate act on her part. She had promised me she would find him sensibly after everything had calmed down and instead she rubbed his face in it, then promised that we would all scatter her ashes together and did it without telling anyone, so his only chance to be involved was crushed (another thread though eh?). Then our dad died a few months later, and so all those anger issues for him, those people he loved and hated were gone.

My brother has had drink and drug problems all his life, never dealt with, and i suspect more now that I did when i was young that heroin was involved. He now has an alcohol problem specifically, not so much other drugs. Not surprisingly, he is now more fucked up than ever. He is in and out of my life, and currently when he is in it, it is via facebook where he runs hot and cold, tells me he misses me all the time (i suspect drunk at the time), and seems to succeed in making me feel guilty everytime I consider posting something good about my lovely family. Which he does not have.

I want to help him, but can't. I want him in my life, but not like this. I know I can't chose my family, but tbh he is all i have really, and he needs me. But I cannot bear him slagging off my mother or my sister (although I don't have her in my life any more). I cannot bear his promises to stay in touch or sort his drinking out and cannot bear to hear the damage that alcohol and drugs have done to him. He is killing himself and one big massive part of me says, why bring me down with you? FFS you have hardly been here, what the fuck can I do, i have my family to care for.

But. At work, a client of mine died last week. He drunk himself into the ground. And I did not think I was that upset by it. I was not too upset. It was not surprising, i could see it, even though he could not but it happened quicker than I ever thought it would. He was the same age as my brother or thereabouts.

My dad died alone. Sad, fucked up, alone. I am still not sure how I feel about that as I feel mostly angry that he died so close to my mother whose life he screwed up so badly. This man, he reminded me of that, as he was alone, a sad lonely mad who died for alcohol. And I do not want my brother to die like that. He has already told me he is scared it will happen to him.

So I have no choice but to be in his life. Some advice on how to do this without damaging my own family would be helpful. And not through support groups for him. I know he won't attend as we have been through this before, and I know through my job only he can do it.

Sigh, it was not meant to be long. Sorry.

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msboogie · 03/12/2010 20:17

I think that all you can do is tell him you will do everything in your power to support him if he decides to get well, but there is nothing you can do for him if he doesn't.

It is his choice. You didn't make him like this and you cannot make him seek help. Your responsibilities are to your own family.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/12/2010 20:17

Hi,

Have you as yet talked to the following:-

Al-Anon Family Groups UK & Eire
61 Great Dover Street, London SE1 4YF
Confidential Helpline 020 7403 0888
(Helpline available 10 am - 10 pm, 365 days a year)

I would urge you to call them as they could well help you.

FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 03/12/2010 20:22

attilla no i haven't. I guess i feel that in a way. once i pick up the phone, call them, it will be making the decision for sure, and i am not sure that i am ready for it.

msboogie he tells me he cannot do it alone, and that i am all he has. He does not live near me, i am in devon he is in london. he says he wants to come live near me so i can help him. he feels that i should be able to do this as i do it for my job. but it is not the same. not by a mile. yet i feel guilty, i have a good life and his is so shit he is killing himself. i can hear it in his voice, the way he speaks, the language he uses, he has fucked his brain up, and I see this in people i work with everyday, people who i wonder can ever change.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/12/2010 20:41

I guess as well that your own upbringing played some part in you being in the profession you are in now. You were and remain profoundly affected by growing up in an alcoholic household.

You probably realise that alcoholism can be learnt behaviour. Your brother too saw damaging role models when growing up.

You are still not responsible for him though when all is said and done. It is unfair and infact manipulative of him to ask you for help saying that you alone can help him and that you are all he has. He is wrong, he can only help his own self and you cannot and should not do that for him.

Do call Al-anon or at the very least request their literature. I certainly think you need to talk to someone like Al-anon and I hope you get around to doing that asap. You need their help.

FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 03/12/2010 20:46

atilla funnily enough, i ended up in my profession purely by chance! i deal with alcoholics, but also drug users, domestic violence perpetrators, which is linked to my upbringing, but then also sex offenders, violent offenders etc. However, perhaps the reason i have continued and progressed has some bearing on my past. I do find though, that mostly, i have sort of distanced myself from my past and treat the two seperately, they do not cross. Not sure if that makes sense, but well the alcoholism never really touched me, or my life, that i was aware of, not directly, not until now. I probably am not explaining that well, but I was never really aware of how much of a fucked up family life i had until my mum died and it all unravelled, this shell of a family she held together with not very much. I was so much younger than the rest of the family, they experienced much of it first hand, but the consequences, i guess that is what i saw, just sort of considered it normal until recently!

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FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 03/12/2010 20:50

you are right though. I need to address the past now it has reared its ugly head. I guess I thought/hoped the past would just stay where it belonged and that by getting on with my life all the shite of my early childhood would remain there. I can move on why can't he, or to be honest the rest of my family. While mum was alive, we could all maintain an element of 'normality' but now she is gone, there is nothing to keep us together.

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FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 03/12/2010 20:53

i think also, to some extent my family did a good job of protecting me from the fall-out, wrapped me up in cotton wall, i grew up relatively oblivious to it all, even with stuff going on right in front of me to do with my brother, i guess at 6/7/8 i would have no realisation that abc was linked to xyz, it is only as an adult I realise the magnitude of my family mess.

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nameymcnamechange · 03/12/2010 21:00

I am desperately sorry for you but there is not a thing you can do to help him.

If you want to avoid all the pain and anguish of trying to support an alcoholic in denial, then I would send him a letter or a message saying that you will consider having a relationship with him once he is clean and sober but, until then, you have decided not to be involved.

Then change your contact details and ignore him.

Truly, there is nothing else you can do.

Other than seek out the support of Al-anon, as others have wisely suggested.

peggotty · 03/12/2010 21:01

I too am from an 'alcoholic' family - abusive vile father who died a few years ago, alcoholic brother (still drinking) and alcoholic older sister (not drank for years, is in AA). And I too am the youngest in my family by a quite a few years, so grew up with a lot of alcohol related drama/violence going on around me, though not 'part' of it or on the front line of it, in a way. The thing that struck me from your post is that you sound like a very caring, empathetic person, but that you also want to perhaps 'cure' your brother, and see him as someone to 'save' from the same fate as your father. THis is harsh, but your brother will not care about upsetting your family, your children, your life as all he really, ultimately cares about is alcohol/drugs. You have to protect yourself/your family. He is not capable of forming normal, healthy relationships as the only relationship he has is with alcohol/drugs. I totally understand that you don't want to cut him out - I get very upset when I think of the life that my brother could be living compared to the one he is - but it is so so true, that unless he wants to change, he won't. It is hard to tackle addictions without some kind of proffessional help (as I'm sure you know).

FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 03/12/2010 21:08

peggotty it is difficult to change even with professional help.

I feel so guilty though, my rational side says, don't do this, it will only end in tears, he will hurt you, your family, and you will get nothing from it' then the other part of me says 'you don't have family in order to get something, you just have them, it is not his fault, if you leave him, you leave him alone, to die alone'. He tells me how much he misses me and the family, the kids (ds who he has not met) he is sorry he missed their birthdays etc and he like a little boy, all upset and really genuine at the time, and I just wish i could fix it but i can't and I know i can't. But does that mean I should just cut him out? life is not easy, surely by me walking away i am taking the easy route? is that not cowardice? that is what i feel i am being, a coward for not helping him like i try with others.

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FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 03/12/2010 21:10

and yes i do want to save him from that fate. I did not really know my father, and yet i still feel sad that he died alone (and horrifically). I know my brother, i cannot resolve in my head that I should walk away knowing that is what will happen to him. And I know it will, it is already is.

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FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 03/12/2010 21:13

and I don't know about him only caring about the drugs and alcohol, he drinks himself into oblivion in order to forget. He has had a pretty shit life himself really. He witnessed some horrific stuff between my mother and father. And i wonder if he has been abusive himself and he wants to forget it all. I am certain he wants it all to go away. I throw myself into my family, and my life now, he throws himself into drink. But, it does not stop the fact that I cannot change the way he deals with things.

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nameymcnamechange · 03/12/2010 21:17

Yes, it is all desperately sad but there is not a single thing you can do to help him. So sorry.

peggotty · 03/12/2010 21:23

It is so completely normal to feel guilty about it. You are railing against something you are completely powerless against. As is your brother. The best, healthiest thing you can do is to continue loving and being there for your own family - that is absolutely not cowardice, in fact it is strength and wisdom. I can't stress enough how much of a road to nowhere you will be on if you try to 'take on' your brothers problems. You should really contact al-anon. I have another sister whose partner is an alcoholic (jeez, my family is full of them!!) who has alcohol-related condition that means he could die almost instantly if he carries on drinking (he nearly died last year) but still he drinks - anyway, my sister lives with that knowledge daily and finds a lot of comfort in attending al-anon meetings.

The best thing you can do when you come from such a damaged family is to live your own life in the happiest, healthiest way possible.

FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 03/12/2010 21:27

i wish my mother was here, she sort of made everything feel normal. Me and her, well, i think she sorted out a lot of her shit through me, we had a good relationship, a really good relationship. It not feel like a mess, this whole family stuff.

shit. I need a glass of wine Wink Grin

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FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 03/12/2010 21:48

thank you everyone for your support, in particular you peggotty you sound like a strong woman, wiser than me that is for sure!

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shodatin · 03/12/2010 23:07

Please give Al-Anon a try - they can help you make decisions about your brother, and it is a safe place to discuss the effects of living with alcoholism.

Snorbs · 03/12/2010 23:43

It is sad. Desperately sad.

But you cannot change his life course for him. Only he has the power to do that. His life is so shit due to the choices he has made and that he continues to make.

He lives in London. There will be half a dozen or more sources of help and assistance for him near where he lives from AA meetings to NHS Community Drug & Alcohol Teams to charities such as Turning Point and the Salvation Army, all on his doorstep. But he's choosing not to access those services. Instead, he wants to make you responsible for his recovery. And he'll blame you when if you fail to stop him drinking.

As you say, you have your family to care for. Alcoholics bring with them a never-ending stream of drama and chaos. It's hugely draining and can very easily become completely overwhelming. Do you really want to subject your family to that?

You don't have to completely turn your back on him but, honestly and for your own sake, it might be worth trying to turn your back on his alcoholism and not engage in pointless conversations with him about it. You've tried pointing him in the direction of proper support and assistance and he's rejected them for his own reasons. That is his choice. It can be your choice to change the subject when he starts talking about his drinking, or to offer sympathy towards his problems without attempting to fix them for him. It's not easy to do, particularly at first, but it does get better.

As others have said, Al-Anon could help. There is also a very good book I always recommend in these situations called "Codependent No More" by Melody Beattie. She wrote it specifically for those of us who are in some form of relationship with someone with a drug/alcohol problem. I think you'd get a lot from it. I also found one-on-one counselling (organised via my GP) immensely helpful when I was struggling with trying to deal with an alcoholic in my own life.

FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 04/12/2010 06:02

Thanks snorbs. Problem is, mostly he no longer talks about his alcohol problems. He hardly talks, it mostly via email, he won't call, despite saying he will and won't answer his phone. He is constantly moving/changing his phone so losing touch is easy, he stopped contact after i asked him not to come to the children's christening because he was not able to stop his drinking to the point he was only talking about mum and how much he hates her. I had a 2 week old baby, and a whole group of DHs family to content with. I asked him to come up after, stay with us and be as rude as he liked. I had been in touch with him to let him know DS was born, two weeks before, and before that, no contact for a year. He has met DD aged 4 once only. He is sporadic in his contact. I often wonder whether he is in prison or dead when he has no contact. His facebook comments are only every guilt trippy and seem to be directed at me, stuff like 'i am lonely and let down by those who say they care' 'i miss everything' followed by a link to a morose song.

I think he only actually contacts me when he is pissed.

You are all right. I know i can't help him. That is why I have not tried, there is nothing i can do, physically or emotionally to help him change. And I think he prefers to wallow in the self-pity his shit life allows him to do.

I will call al-anon today i think. and maybe check out that book, i need a nice light read Wink thanks again everyone.

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FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 04/12/2010 06:08

no, he has met DD twice.

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iamnotreallysure · 04/12/2010 07:09

You are a good, kind and lovely person and you have nothing to feel guilty about.

Professionally and personally you show the empathy, care and understanding to (where you can) help people who have recognised that they need help.

Is it worth seeking help for yourself - in dealing with your own feelings of guilt that your families problems seem to have not touched you in the negative way.

Do not allow the past to spoil what you have achieved in having a lovely family of your own.

FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 04/12/2010 09:50

iamnotreallysure - thank you, that is very sweet but, well not even DH thinks that right now so unlikely as true as i appear to be. He thinks i am being very harsh to 'abandon' him to his fate. He was quite forceful in this, and has pretty much implied i have issues with my coping skills, as I do not have contact with my sister, for different, but linked to the family shit, reasons.

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FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 13/12/2010 17:14

ok, an update and some urgent advice.

I have received a couple of very strange emails. The first, a couple of weeks ago told me he missed me, missed the family, missed everything...followed by a sombre song link on youtube I called, i emailed, asking if he was drunk, what was going on, get in touch, nothing. Finally after a couple of days he emailed in a jokey manner 'course I was drunk! been on a 4 day bender! will call you' not called me, not been in touch, won't answer his phone. emailed in the week to say sorry not been in touch/called to speak to dd as he said he would, going into town (sat morning)

Then on sunday he posted several miserable song links to youtube he the posted on my wall, not email 'baby sis I am dying, i am so scared...'and a link to another youtube song ('dogs' by roger walters if that means anything to you all?). He has not responded to my emails (either fb or normal mail or answered his phone, not been on fb, but then only has a handful of friends listed.

i do not know where he lives, only the town. should i call the police? i don't know if he means really, metaphorically, is he ill? taken an overdose? fucking me around?

WWYD now?

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FamilyWhoNeedsEm · 13/12/2010 17:32

bump

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verytellytubby · 13/12/2010 17:57

Have you got contact details for any of his friends? Sounds like he's been on a bender and probably sleeping it off.

It's so hard. You sound so lovely. My MIL is finally in AA and doing really well but we had years of trying to help her. My DH realised that an alcoholic can only get help if they want it. I went to a few Al-Anon meetings and they were very helpful.