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Help me see a way to heal a rift with my mother

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otchayaniye · 25/11/2010 21:21

I have debated whether to post this but you are a wise lot and may be able to see things in a different light, and either knock some sense into me, or suggest how I can deal with this.

I want more involvement with my mother than she wants to give, is the essence of it. Not an unusual situation, in and of itself, and I'm not throwing my toys out of the pram because she won't babysit. This is deeper than that and cuts to core of our relationship, which has a very skewed power base.

She is a warm, very generous, exceptionally funny woman who has had to deal with a lot. She brought me up (I am an only child) and I am thankful. And respect her. Lots of things she did and exposed me to were not ideal, but still, I'm here, had a good education and in general have a warm relationship with her. She is lovely with my daughter really gets down to her level but isn't that engaged. Said one time "Oh, she's walking", when she'd been walking the last time we saw her. Sometimes forgets to ask about her on the phone. Nothing criminal, of course - just giving you a flavour.

I was living and working abroad and had my daughter, now 2, out there. We kept in touch, but not very frequently we've never lived in others' pockets. But before I had her, I flew her out and took her around SE Asia (she loved it) and when I had my daughter flew her out again for 4 weeks. Then she was not so involved and tended to go out all the time and eat apart from us and she wasn't hands on with my daughter, although not so cold and distant you'd think it was weird. Ho hum, I thought, maybe she's not into babies fair enough.

We returned from abroad about a year and a half ago. I've probably seen her five or six times (we all live in London). Most other times she's blown me out. She blew me out on Christmas day as I was putting the turkey in (I'm so knackered, do you mind?). She blew out coming to dinner saying she had to go to neighbour's daughter's first birthday (she doesn't see the irony). About four times out of five she comes up with excuses

She works (she's 59, I'm 39) decorating a very big notable house an hour's drive away. She is understandably knackered. But has been doing jobs on this woman's house for about a year with no break and she doesn't properly charge for it. When we do see her she constantly moans about it and says she's so tired. But something about doing it she likes. I think she gets to feel important, needed, respected.

Another thing to note is that she has 'Trebused' her big house -- partly it is stuff she uses for her job piled up really high so she can get to it. But it gives her to opportunity to say we can't visit her because it's not safe. So in the year and a half I've been back I've only been there twice for about an hour.

So I ask her with a months notice would she like to drive with us to France (she loves France) to stay in a gite to celebrate both my daughter's and my birthday (it's the same day). Basically a long weekend, expense free and no babysitting wanted as this was the depths of Normandy so nowhere to go out. She said she'd think about it but agreed she needed a break and that it would be nice.

I knew deep down she'd come back with a 'no'. And she did. She said she wanted to crack on painting this woman's windows "because it's coming up to Christmas and this lady's family is visiting she needs it done". I wish my mother had just said she didn't fancy a trip right then because I did feel resentful, disappointed and yes -- a bit rejected. So I told her that a few days wouldn't make much difference blah blah. It got heated, she really bridled and although we didn't shout at each other, she felt hectored and ended up saying "the way you carry on, it's like you're saying I don't love you". "Maybe you don't" was my reply (yes, unwise, I know) and she hung up on me. That was six weeks ago. A present for my daughter came and a card and I sent her a nice thank you note (honestly, a straight up pleasant and thankful one, no passive aggression)

Of course. She can live her life as she wants. She can disengage if she wants. My child isn't her responsibility. Sometimes I feel bad about the words we had and feel ridiculously childish that I haven't picked up the phone. After all, this is potentially getting in the way of a good, if infrequent, relationship with her granddaughter. But at other times (just now as I was sitting in my daughter's room as she fell asleep) tears well up and I know that deep down I have to come to terms with the fact that although my mother might love me in the intellectual sense, she wants to disengage.

I also suspect that my mother (usually quick to make up) might be upset and hurt, but secretly glad in a way that she is off the hook. She also moans about the duty she feels visiting her 98 year old father who lives in his own home ok, but needs visitors every two weeks.

Just some things to say so I don't drip feed.

She had me young and she and my father (violent, but more of the controlling, smashing up the place, violent outburts and then fucking off for days to shag other women) had a tumultuous relationship. I was involved in this as I witnessed it and was my mother's confidante. At ten I knew things about relationships and sex people NEVER learn about.

While my father had affairs (and I was driven to one house once and she shouted that's 'where your father is') she had one longer one. I knew him and was driven round there on school nights to sit talking to his mother while she saw him

I used to sit up until small hours while my upset mother poured her heart out. This means in the relationship I am seen as the mother almost, I can see this playing out now.

As I got older and began to have a more intellectual relationship with my father (a genius type) she got jealous. It was as if she had the crap from him, I got the good side. It reached a peak when I got into Oxford. She got nasty whereas he was over the moon.

She wouldn't accept I was raped on my year off. I didn't tell my parents straight away but ended up having a breakdown but she says the psychiatrists played it down (I don't know what they said to her, I think they were more concerned with her to be honest). I am almost so hurt by this I've brushed it under the carpet.

She makes digs about my being materialistic (I'm only a skint journalist with a bad eBay habit) and also recently makes jibes about my breastfeeding (she fed me til 18 months for god's sake) past a year, co-sleeping, not leaving her to cry. Again, not the only mother to suffer this, but in this case I think she is almost trying to pop my bubble, take me down a peg or two.

The BIG ONE. Her husband, my father, killed himself 10 years ago. She retreated into her shell over time and old friends drifted away. But she does have new ones, neighbours, people she's worked for. I don't think we'll ever disentangle this and how it split us even further, but that's suicide for you and the law of unintended consequences.

But as I looked at my sleeping daughter I just thought "This, this person, is one of the unalloyed wonderful, good and tender things in life. We don't have a big family, we've both had a tragedy to deal with. Can't we come together and love each other better"

Then I calm down and think I'm just being self-absorbed and precious and silly and should just pick up the fucking phone, for God's sake. Some people don't have relatives at all.

Thank you for your patience.

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birminghamgirl · 25/11/2010 21:46

It sounds awful. I feel really sorry for you. But I think you have to keep trying. Apologise for what you said but only because she is your mother. Then one day when you have the opportunity, have a few glasses of wine tell her that you love her and want to try to get closer.

otchayaniye · 25/11/2010 21:51

Yes, I think you are right. My husband, who agrees that I'm not being a spoilt child, or a drama queen, sees how this has hurt me, how every "no" cuts to the quick and feels like a rejection of me and my child.

But yes, she probably feels misunderstood and hurt and I should just make the first move.

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atswimtwolengths · 25/11/2010 22:02

I'm the mother of a girl who's 21. If she told me, whether in a fight or not, that she felt I didn't love her or want to see her, I'd be devastated.

Far from not contacting her, I'd do whatever it took to show her that she means everything to me - always has, always will.

Your mum sounds immature, to be honest. She does sound like she's a drama queen (just noticed your husband reassures you that you aren't - well, you haven't come across like that here, though she has.)

I wouldn't contact her to apologise. You have done nothing wrong. I know it's difficult when there's been an argument and our tendency is to resolve the problem, but I think she needs to dwell on things a litle, first.

TheBigZing · 25/11/2010 22:22

She sounds very selfish - either that or she is completely unaware of how her actions could be interpreted.

I can't imagine ever being so distant with my daughter (admittedly, she's only 2 but I like to imagine the relationship we will have when she's an adult).

Something you said that surprised me was how she reacted to you being accepted for Oxford. How does a mother manage to so fundamentally bypass her natural pride and ambition for her child?

The way you tell it, you are not at fault here. Your expectations are reasonable. Her conduct is unreasonable (4 out of 5 times she cancels arrangements? Really?)

Having said that, I do think you should pick up the phone. Because your daughter deserves to know her grandmother. And because you can never relive the time you have now and life is too short to not be on speaking terms with those most important to us. You are not at fault here but you may have to grit your teeth and deal with it, if you think that she won't.

otchayaniye · 25/11/2010 22:24

That's what I said to my DH -- that if my little girl grew up and ever said that I would be devastated.

Thing is, I cut her slack, because she was young when she had me and had my father to contend with (he told me that she had me to trap him ... he was half joking but also not). I also cut her slack because of what my father did.

For whatever reason (me being the mother in the relationship probably gets close) she finds me irritating and I don't know, a bit 'know it all'. So she may not have articulated in her head "I don't love her" but it's not the instinctive love I feel for my daughter, the running home from work to see her and DH with a huge smile on my face.

I seriously think she is glad to have the space. Sure, that's in my mind as she won't tell me that. But this is what keeps me from picking up the phone.

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msboogie · 25/11/2010 22:31

you can't make her want to spend time with you though. It is her choice.

otchayaniye · 25/11/2010 22:32

i know that. I said that.

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otchayaniye · 25/11/2010 22:34

But I feel I should try for my daughter's sake

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GingerGlitterGoddess · 25/11/2010 22:45

I am probably not going to articulate this very well (been to the pub!) and you have probably already thought of this, but I think the fact she has cast you in such a distorted role has altered the way she sees you/feels about you. So perhaps a more 'standard' mother/daughter relationship cannot be compared to the relationship you have with her. Roles have been reversed over 29+ years and her habit is to see you as the strong one, perhaps even the one to be rebelled against for some reason? Anyway, I think it will be hard for you to get a true perspective on why she behaves the way she does if you compare it to how you feel about your own daughter. Another vote here for an attempt to talk openly with her, and ask her why she doesn't want to see you more often. Open up the channels of communication. Best of luck you sound very emotionally aware and articulate, and like a wonderful mother.

brass · 25/11/2010 23:00

ginger has it I think...you were her confidante, an equal - not a small dependent child to be nurtured/protected from the adult mess.

She didn't care for you in that way then and so doesn't know how to extrapolate that role now as a grandmother. Deep down she must be aware of this and perhaps seeing you care for your baby brings this home and unhinges her so she has to run away, make excuses not to spend time with you. That or seeing you in your nuclear family reminds her of everything she lost.

I feel for you both.

otchayaniye · 25/11/2010 23:07

Thanks, you are a wise lot. I am off to catch some rest but wanted to thank you for reading that epic.

I will try and keep the communication open yes, it is her choice but at he same time I don't think it is fair (barring some of the gravest behaviour) to cop out of the parent/child relationship and that applies to me too.

I definitely think our nuclear family upsets her. She is jealous of me. My husband sees that.

I will not try to compare apples with pears.

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