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toxic family

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happygilmore · 21/11/2010 15:49

If you don't see members of your family/DH's family, what reasons do you give your children?

I don't want to lie to my DD (she's only a baby so not relevant yet anyway) BUT I'm not sure I want to go into the real reasons why we don't see certain family members, as it involves things I'd much rather not go into with a child. I want her to grow up thinking family is important and to make an effort with them, but I'm sure one day she'll ask me why we don't therefore see certain family members. And it will be a reasonable enough question!

So if you are in this position, what have you told your DC?

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brokeoven · 21/11/2010 15:52

Actually, ds (7) has never asked.

Dont think its ever occurred to himt hat he and dh go to pil but that i dont go.

Its kinda become tradition tbh

happygilmore · 21/11/2010 15:57

Have you thought what you will say if he does ask?

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thisishowifeel · 21/11/2010 16:25

I haven't had to tell my ds (14) anything, he lived through the horror too, and was dragged in, abused had to endure CAFCASS etc. He has said that he wants nothing to do with his genetic father, or any of my family. I worry desperately about the damage done already by them incuding him in their toxac rants against me over the years.

The sentence that seems to have made the most difference was my "mother" saying....."she'll fight to the last drop of blood for those kids like she did last time, so get a top lawyer asap" Of course what my "mother" didn't understand is this...that's what normal mother's do!!!

dd is only six. We were looking at my old photo's and scrap books this morning, she turned and put her arms around me and said, " you must be really sad that your mummy didn't love you", completely out of the blue. It was heartreaking.

She gets it.

happygilmore · 21/11/2010 16:40

sorry to hear about your family thisis. Do you mind me asking what you've told your dd about your family?

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thisishowifeel · 21/11/2010 17:00

Nothing, although I didn't have to. They are little sponges, NOTHING gets past them. However careful you are, they sense stuff, hear stuff.

Unfortunately they were exposed to a lot of awful stuff, and now that I have come through the other side, albeit very scarred, I am told, and I am beginning to believe, that it was the quality of my mothering that has kept them as safe and wonderful as they are.

They are both happy, have loads of friends and are achieving beyond expectation (see where labelling gets you! Nowhere!)at school.

One of the things that I was told over and over again by my family, was that I was "a terrible" mother....this in front of my kids.

The longer I am truly No Contact, post therapy, the more I can see just how toxic and damaging it all was.

Ds watched American wifeswap.....not my choice, but there you go! He came to me and explained that they were so dysfunctional because they endlessly defined and labelled one another in a stream of negative ways, and he could see how unhappy this was making the children. He has learned so much too.

DD was involved in some of my inner child therapy, unbeknownst to her of course! She helped colour in my pictures. She knew the characters and the story without any prompting whatsoever from me. My therapist assured me that this was ok.

Sorry, I've gone on a bit, but the simple answer is that you don't have to tell them anything, they already know, and that's why No Contact is so crucial for their future mental health and relationships too.

happygilmore · 21/11/2010 18:09

Sounds like you have been through a lot thisis. I'm glad you're out the other side, what a brave decision to take for your children.

I'm glad I (and DH) made the decision to cut contact a long time before we had children. I do wonder if she'd ask in the long-term about certain family members - I think she's bound to. I suppose my situation is different from yours in that she will never meet these people so will perhaps be curious as to why we don't see them.

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ModreB · 21/11/2010 20:45

Well, my MIL is toxic to me, but not to DH and DC's. So, I just say, "Me and Nana C, love you all , but we dont really like each other, which is a really silly grown up thing. So, because Nana C loves you, and we both really don't want to be silly, when you vist her you are with DH, and I stay at home. I am very happy that you love her, and that she loves you, and I don't ever want to stop that."

Then send them off for an afternoon of peace Grin

Ilythia · 21/11/2010 21:21

I haven't spoken to my father for nearly 9 years but some of my siblings still do. He was in some of my sisters wedding photos and when I was showing DD's pictures of her it took me by surprise a bit. DD1 (4.10) asked who it was, convo went
'that's my daddy'
'Why don't we see him, is he my grandad too?' ( as well as FIL)
'No sweetie, he is not very nice and says mean things a lot, so I don't see him but auntie x does'
'Oh. I don't like people who are mean'
'Me neither'

end of conversation.

Don't overthink it is my advice, DD is old enough to understand that some people are mean and some are nice, that's all she needs to know atm. She has since said things like 'your mummy is my granny but your daddy is not nice, is he mummy?' which is about the level for her age I think.

MerrilyDefective · 22/11/2010 01:42

We don't see,and are not in touch with DPs parents.
They are not nice people.
DP has his sisters on FB but not his parents,they are blocked.
Our DCs have chosen not to add their GPs on FB.
We told the DCs the truth about their GPs relatively early on,and they kind of knew it anyway.
They always favoured DD over the boys and it was SO obvious.
Far better presents,only ever asked about DD etc,etc.
And yet when DD was a baby,MIL smacked her hand when DD was in a high chair and MIL was feeding her(and it was not a tap/smack).
MIL barely knew DD at the time,had been with her only once or twice.

blinks · 22/11/2010 01:58

am in same position so shall watch thread with interest. my 2 are too little to explain what happened (2 and 5yold) but i worry about when the time comes.

Tortington · 22/11/2010 02:08

everyone is so reasonable. i just said 'cos he's a dick'

Ilythia · 22/11/2010 19:25

Grin custy. As she gets older I will expand, I think 4 is a little young for 'he cheated on my mum his whole marriage and spent all our family money on rentboys' though.Grin

happygilmore · 22/11/2010 19:39

Yes that would some it up custardo!

But as Ilythia says it's the age isn't it - and also I don't know if I want to go in to a lot of detail, I think whatever age she is there's probably some things she just doesn't need to know.

Families eh?!

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Ilythia · 22/11/2010 20:03

Quite.

If it helps, she has known FIL's so was aware that grandma's and grandad's went 'together' but it wasn't until she saw a photo that she asked. And she is very fixed on everyone's place in the family (granny is your mummy, and great grasndpa is her daddy and grandad is daddy's daddy etc) It just never came up because we Do Nt Talk About Him.

Don't stress basicallyGrin

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