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Looking for wise words, D.P compulsive liar, cheater

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ladygagaga · 12/11/2010 20:37

Hello everybody,

I'm new here and I've been reading some threads that are vaguely the same as some of the problems I have but I want to tell my own story and ask for some words of advice and well, I guess encouragement that I am doing the right thing. I'll start at the beginning and it's long so brace yourselves! I met my DP almost 4 years ago, we were friends at first and then he kissed me out of the blue one day and I guess you could say that things just kind of went from there. I always thought he was attractive but I never thought we would end up in a relationship or anything and at first we did just enjoy each others company without letting anybody in on the fact that we were an "item". We always had lots of ups and downs but I think we'd enjoyed each others company a lot and got a lot out of being with each other. About two years ago and about a year into our relationship (we were friends for a year first)I went through a patch of feeling insecure about myself which I'm sure DP played a big part in, I felt really lonely and cut off emotionally from him. I checked his mobile phone one night and found sent messages, saved messages and stored messages to a woman whose name was an alias in his phone book. From what I could make out the sent messages and saved messages were innocent enough but the drafts he'd made and hadn't sent were showing that he had some kind of infatuation with this woman. When I confronted him he denied it all and got very angry at me for checking his phone. He said that sometimes he gets lonely and that helped him but we never really spoke of it again because of his avoidance of the subject and anger if I broached it. A few months after that I was sitting at his p.c and got a pop up saying that a porn video had finished downloading and as an ex exotic dancer I am hardly what you would call a prude but this was quite sickening stuff. Again I confronted him and at first he tried to say it was a extra spam what you get with a normal download and that he'd had to delete loads of violent pornographic images himself recently from innocent downloads but didn't want to tell me because he didn't want to upset me after what we had been through recently. A few days later I was using his computer again and searching for my c.v and came across mountains of pornographic images and videos, a lot of it was quite distubing, of the violent sort. Yet again I had it out with him, this time I was so angry, at the deceit mainly and told him that I wanted to be on my own whilst I decide what my next move would be. We at the time were practically neighbours which is not the best for having alone time and within about a week we were back like the old days and though I felt incredibly hurt and confused I believed that he was having a hard time with Uni and family issues and I saw the goodness in him and wanted everything to be fine like it was before, niave I know. Our relationship from then on was never quite the same but it felt comfortable, even the bad times felt comfortable. About six months later I fell pregnant. Told DP the news and got mixed reactions from him. I was unsure about what to do also. I live in a foreign country and took a gap year (that has lasted about seven gap years) and I wanted things to be so different if I brought another human being into the world and into my life. At first DP made noises in reference to being a dad and having a little family but it quickly changed and before long he was asking if I wanted help to arrange an abortion. I asked him to back off and let me have some space whilst I decided what to do. I decided to go through with it. His reaction was astounding. He told me that if I didn't have an abortion then he would kill himself. I was so incredibly, deeply hurt by this, I'm almost crying here now. I had to get out so I returned to my home country and told him that I would have an abortion there which of course I had no intention of doing. I had a ton of problems with finding housing and being put back in all the systems (if you're gone for more than 3 years it can be a bit iffy with citizenship rules) and all this when I was 16+ weeks pregnant. We had emailed back and forth and I told him that I'd decided not to get an abortion and that he could be a part of the childs life if he wanted but that basically I didn't want or need anything from him anymore. He sounded different. He said he'd had time to think about it and that he was sure it could work after all and that wouldn't I please come back and we could be so happy. He said everything a lonely pregnant lady could possibly want to hear. He articulated it all so well (something I always have a problem with) and made it sound crazy for it to be any other way. I returned to his country when I was 35 weeks pregnant, late last year and we were so busy with all our plans and arrangements for the birth that everything was kind of a blur up until about a week after the happy day (baby is gorgeous, healthy and happy) when I again found that particular type of pornography on our now shared computer. I felt so exhausted and also still amazingly blissful from the birth that I just let it slip for the time being, I really didn't want to be having an argument then but when he got stroppy with me about a month later I brought it up. His excuse was "yeah, well, I'm so unhappy and it's just escapism etc.) I could feel myself growing more and more distant with him, it was all just making me feel so dead and cold inside.It was around this time that he started to completely ignore me, put me down or degrade me on a daily basis and it lasted for months, he was depressed, for sure, I'll give him that but that's no reason to drag me through hell and back. The big defining moment for me was on Mothers Day (of all days and my first mothers day!) of this year when he left the computer for a moment to use the bathroom and I went to log onto my mail and clicked his tab away which showed another window. What I saw knocked me for six. There was a headless, topless (and photoshopped! (glad I can chuckle now)) photo of him on his profile at adult match dot com, there was messages from about 8 or 9 women but in my daze I couldn't see any details. I was sick and dizzy and my heart was pounding and it really felt like my heart was tearing out. Before he'd even had time to get back from the bathroom (2 minutes felt like 2 hours) I was grabbing baby and packing a bag and getting out of that door. He was like, what's wrong, he looked sick, he knew what I'd just saw. I got out and stayed at friends for a while then moved back into our old place whilst he stayed with his parents. Our contact grew again, he was quite persistent but I have to admit that it was nice having someone around again, even someone who could hurt me so. It really is so hard to live in a foreign country, I had no income, relied on him for most things and it seemed to make sense that he was in babys life and that seemed easier if we were together. A few weeks ago he was being deceitful again (porn and adult meeting sites), I found out and basically at the moment feel that this is just insane, I'm punishing myself for nothing, he doesn't think there's a problem, doesn't want help so I'm gone. Again I stayed with a friend and cleared my head and I feel a little closer to my goal now. I want to be happy. I want to be with my baby and be happy and anything on top of that will be a great bonus. I'm not really sure if I can ever get over this kind of deceit. Have any of you girls? Sometimes I think that it's kind of better the devil you know, if he seeks help and works on his issues do you think things could still have a chance of working? I'll love to hear all your comments and I'll read everything. I know there's loads of gaps missing and I haven't covered everything but it gives some idea of what my problems are and any of your insight or words of wisdom are much appreciated...
Jeez, just previewed this, it's long! Confused

OP posts:
kyotokate · 12/11/2010 21:13

Bump no advice but, the post is really hard to read .. all one paragraph.

AreYouCallingMeDarling · 12/11/2010 21:15

sorry, but you need to repost with paragraphs.

Sympathy tho

thenightsky · 12/11/2010 21:16

God... sorry, but can you repost with paragraphs please? I'm not beeing awkward, jsut Friday night wine makes that bloody hard to read and I REALLY want to read and reply.

OFFS · 12/11/2010 21:17

I've only got as far as "Have an abortion or I'll kill myself".

Ditch him.

perfumedlife · 12/11/2010 21:25

I read it, wasn't easy. I think you really must get shot of this guy. He is addicted to porn, nasty, violent porn and is on adult sites looking for women.

This is not going to impove. You owe it to your dd to get away from him, and get your life in order. There has been too much back and forth, this will never, ever work.

ladygagaga · 12/11/2010 21:28

Hello again everybody,

Yes! My apologies for the mass of text but I also guess that it's kind of like blurting everything out all at once, I've never really spoken to anybody about it all and I already feel that it's been kind of therapeutic for me so here we go again, paragraphs included this time!...

I'm new here and I've been reading some threads that are vaguely the same as some of the problems I have but I want to tell my own story and ask for some words of advice and well, I guess encouragement that I am doing the right thing. I'll start at the beginning and it's long so brace yourselves!

I met my DP almost 4 years ago, we were friends at first and then he kissed me out of the blue one day and I guess you could say that things just kind of went from there. I always thought he was attractive but I never thought we would end up in a relationship or anything and at first we did just enjoy each others company without letting anybody in on the fact that we were an "item". We always had lots of ups and downs but I think we'd enjoyed each others company a lot and got a lot out of being with each other.

About two years ago and about a year into our relationship (we were friends for a year first)I went through a patch of feeling insecure about myself which I'm sure DP played a big part in, I felt really lonely and cut off emotionally from him. I checked his mobile phone one night and found sent messages, saved messages and stored messages to a woman whose name was an alias in his phone book. From what I could make out the sent messages and saved messages were innocent enough but the drafts he'd made and hadn't sent were showing that he had some kind of infatuation with this woman. When I confronted him he denied it all and got very angry at me for checking his phone. He said that sometimes he gets lonely and that helped him but we never really spoke of it again because of his avoidance of the subject and anger if I broached it. A few months after that I was sitting at his p.c and got a pop up saying that a porn video had finished downloading and as an ex exotic dancer I am hardly what you would call a prude but this was quite sickening stuff. Again I confronted him and at first he tried to say it was a extra spam what you get with a normal download and that he'd had to delete loads of violent pornographic images himself recently from innocent downloads but didn't want to tell me because he didn't want to upset me after what we had been through recently.

A few days later I was using his computer again and searching for my c.v and came across mountains of pornographic images and videos, a lot of it was quite distubing, of the violent sort. Yet again I had it out with him, this time I was so angry, at the deceit mainly and told him that I wanted to be on my own whilst I decide what my next move would be. We at the time were practically neighbours which is not the best for having alone time and within about a week we were back like the old days and though I felt incredibly hurt and confused I believed that he was having a hard time with Uni and family issues and I saw the goodness in him and wanted everything to be fine like it was before, niave I know.

Our relationship from then on was never quite the same but it felt comfortable, even the bad times felt comfortable. About six months later I fell pregnant. Told DP the news and got mixed reactions from him. I was unsure about what to do also. I live in a foreign country and took a gap year (that has lasted about seven gap years) and I wanted things to be so different if I brought another human being into the world and into my life. At first DP made noises in reference to being a dad and having a little family but it quickly changed and before long he was asking if I wanted help to arrange an abortion. I asked him to back off and let me have some space whilst I decided what to do. I decided to go through with it. His reaction was astounding. He told me that if I didn't have an abortion then he would kill himself. I was so incredibly, deeply hurt by this, I'm almost crying here now. I had to get out so I returned to my home country and told him that I would have an abortion there which of course I had no intention of doing.

I had a ton of problems with finding housing and being put back in all the systems (if you're gone for more than 3 years it can be a bit iffy with citizenship rules) and all this when I was 16+ weeks pregnant. We had emailed back and forth and I told him that I'd decided not to get an abortion and that he could be a part of the childs life if he wanted but that basically I didn't want or need anything from him anymore.

He began to sound different. He said he'd had time to think about it and that he was sure it could work after all and that wouldn't I please come back and we could be so happy. He said everything a lonely pregnant lady could possibly want to hear. He articulated it all so well (something I always have a problem with) and made it sound crazy for it to be any other way. I returned to his country when I was 35 weeks pregnant, late last year and we were so busy with all our plans and arrangements for the birth that everything was kind of a blur up until about a week after the happy day (baby is gorgeous, healthy and happy) when I again found that particular type of pornography on our now shared computer. I felt so exhausted and also still amazingly blissful from the birth that I just let it slip for the time being, I really didn't want to be having an argument then but when he got stroppy with me about a month later I brought it up. His excuse was "yeah, well, I'm so unhappy and it's just escapism etc.) I could feel myself growing more and more distant with him, it was all just making me feel so dead and cold inside.It was around this time that he started to completely ignore me, put me down or degrade me on a daily basis and it lasted for months, he was depressed, for sure, I'll give him that but that's no reason to drag me through hell and back.

The big defining moment for me was on Mothers Day (of all days and my first mothers day!) of this year when he left the computer for a moment to use the bathroom and I went to log onto my mail and clicked his tab away which showed another window. What I saw knocked me for six. There was a headless, topless (and photoshopped! (glad I can chuckle now)) photo of him on his profile at adult match dot com, there was messages from about 8 or 9 women but in my daze I couldn't see any details. I was sick and dizzy and my heart was pounding and it really felt like my heart was tearing out. Before he'd even had time to get back from the bathroom (2 minutes felt like 2 hours) I was grabbing baby and packing a bag and getting out of that door. He was like, what's wrong, he looked sick, he knew what I'd just saw. I got out and stayed at friends for a while then moved back into our old place whilst he stayed with his parents.

Slowly our contact grew again, he was quite persistent but I have to admit that it was nice having someone around again, even someone who could hurt me so. It really is so hard to live in a foreign country, I had no income, relied on him for most things and it seemed to make sense that he was in babys life and that seemed easier if we were together. A few weeks ago he was being deceitful again (porn and adult meeting sites), I found out and basically at the moment feel that this is just insane, I'm punishing myself for nothing, he doesn't think there's a problem, doesn't want help so I'm gone. Again I stayed with a friend and cleared my head and I feel a little closer to my goal now. I want to be happy. I want to be with my baby and be happy and anything on top of that will be a great bonus. I'm not really sure if I can ever get over this kind of deceit.

Have any of you girls? Sometimes I think that it's kind of better the devil you know, if he seeks help and works on his issues do you think things could still have a chance of working? I'll love to hear all your comments and I'll read everything. I know there's loads of gaps missing and I haven't covered everything but it gives some idea of what my problems are and any of your insight or words of wisdom are much appreciated...
Jeez, just previewed this, it's long! confused

OP posts:
ladygagaga · 12/11/2010 21:29

Thank you for your responses so far. I feel it's making me stronger. I need a good shake and a fresh pair of eyes to tell me how it all is, black and white...

OP posts:
loonat48 · 12/11/2010 21:44

he is a knob. he will not change, get the fuck out

DontDropTheBaby · 12/11/2010 21:49

he is a twat. There is no benefit for you to have him in your life and all he will do is destroy you slowly. Even if he was to change you would never trust him.

Most importantly what if your DD sees what he has been viewing?

Dando · 12/11/2010 21:55

STAY GONE. Please don't be confused. He's not going to seek help. He's not going to change.

And...

Get a bit crosser.

You can do so very much better than this.

hobbgoblin · 12/11/2010 21:59

Okay you skipped the paragraphs, something I've been guilty of when posting emotionally, but no way are you not eloquent.

Even though you have gone back several times you haven't done so hastily - you know your own mind, it's just now that there's two of you that isn't enough is it? There's what you want for you and what you want for your baby and the family you want to be, right?

The best way, perhaps, to look at it is to think of your child being happy in a happy environment. You are not happy with the deceit and nobody would be, so however much you will it to be, this will not be a happy environment for your child.

His actions are eroding your security, and what comes next in line is your self esteem. Don't let it get this bad.

Maybe there's things he could do to change himself but really, do you want that? Should he have to change himself? He is who he is, and unless we are talking about changes such as remembering to put the toilet lid down then it's a big ask and you will have to suffer quite a lot for change to actually occur. All the while weeks and months of your life are passing.

I'd say if the model you chose doesn't fit the bill, upgrade! Even if you have invested in the first model, cutting your losses is better than throwing good money after bad.

FluffMacDuff · 12/11/2010 22:02

Imagine yourself in five years' time, still with your DP and still having to deal with the same problems, lies and deceit, the same pattern that keep repeating. Is that what you want for yourself and for your child to grow up in that environment? You need to get out and make a clean break.

msboogie · 12/11/2010 22:08

There is only one wise wrd that you need: LEAVE

Stay gone.

The devil you know is not always better! Why not have no devil at all in your life?

Up until your child was born it was entirely your choice whether to subject yourself to this life and this horrible man and his filthy habits. Now you have to put your baby's interests first and you simply cannot have him living with a man who behaves like this. What if your child saw some of these images in 2 or 3 years' time? He didn't intend for you to see them, so don't tell me he would make sure that didn't happen.

You need to rediscover your dignity and your self respect and bin this creep off for both your sakes.

Good luck.

tummysgottogo · 12/11/2010 22:09

Get the fuck out and build your life the way you want it. Being single is better than constantly trying to repair a crap and damaging relationship. He's not better than nothing, he's worse than nothing, because he'll make you doubt yourself. Your life is worth more than this x

hobbgoblin · 12/11/2010 22:14

I don't think the porn itself is the issue. Normal loving parents can have depraved private sexual thoughts and not act on them. If the porn is fictional/set up/photoshopped, etc. (ykwim) then it isn't harming anybody. The fact that it upsets the OP and the deceit of being on dating type sites is the deal breaker I feel rather than the sexual persuasions of this man.

TheBigZing · 12/11/2010 22:19

You never say in your post that you love this man. What comes across is that you feel dependent on him (financially, emotionally).

But in truth he drags you down. He will never change. He doesn't think he's got a problem. In fact he blames his addiction to violent pornography on you because you are not making him happy enough Hmm.

He emotionally blackmails you to get what he wants (abortion, reunion etc.) without caring one jot about what YOU might want.

Never go back to this man. Please. You can make it on your own. You don't need him. Your baby doesn't need to be exposed to such a rotten example of a relationship.

(And she certainly doesn't need to be at risk of ever glimpsing his favourite brand of 'entertainment' on the computer)

joanne34 · 12/11/2010 22:48

dear op, i think you have answered your own questions...... why would you want to stay with someone who treats you like this ? Do yourself and dc a wonderful thing, end it, move on, you sound young ? dont waste anymore time ! x

ensure · 13/11/2010 00:03

He isn't enhancing your life. He is making you unhappy. Why put yourself through more of that? Be brave and don't stay with this man. Your son will be happier with a happy mum.

ensure · 13/11/2010 00:03

He isn't enhancing your life. He is making you unhappy. Why put yourself through more of that? Be brave and don't stay with this man. Your son will be happier with a happy mum.

SparklingExplosionGoldBrass · 13/11/2010 01:35

He's a knob and you are better off without him. He's only coming whining back to you every now and again because he fancies a bit of home cooking, TBH. He is never going to be a supportive, monogamous partner because he doesn't relaly see you as a person at all.

IfGraceAsks · 13/11/2010 02:32

He's a knob. He'll drag you down. Whatever difficulties you face in going it alone with DC, it will NOT be as bad as going round this depressing cycle again and again. Each time round will erode your sense of self a little more. He will NOT 'get help' because he's no need to ... sorry about that, but you're just a placeholder for him not a real person. I think you know this really. You deserve better.

I'm guessing the sex is really good? If so - stop thinking with your fanny! It's not a good judge of character, I'm afraid.

You do NOT need a man at any cost; the cost of this one is way too high.

LittleMissHissyFit · 13/11/2010 10:22

very good advice here, Ladygagaga.

Now that you see this situation in black and white, can you put yourself in the position of the reader, and say to her what you think she should do?

to us it's very clear what you need to do. You need to leave him and do what's best for your and your DD.

He won't change.

Every time you go round and around in this vicious cycle of his nasty little world, it erodes your self confidence just that little bit more.

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