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Relate: what to expect

12 replies

geekgirl2000 · 12/11/2010 13:38

Hi everyone.
DH and I are attending our first Relate session tomorrow and I really have no idea what to expect.

Very nervous and would love to hear from anyone who has been there and can give me an idea of what to expect.

Thanks

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ovumahead · 12/11/2010 15:30

Bumping for you! Never been to Relate myself, but have heard excellent things about it. Go with an open mind - I'm sure it will just be a standard assessment session, e.g. tell us a bit about your problems and what's bringing you to therapy now, etc.

Nolda · 12/11/2010 15:38

They'll ask about your history: how long you've been married and how long you've been together. Number and ages of children and whether you are both their biological parents. They'll ask how many serious relationships you have had previously and whether they ended acrimoniously or not. They will then ask why you have now come to Relate and what you hope to get out of it. They also asked if we had discussed our marital problems with anyone else and, if so, whether we had found it helpful.

My DH and I have found Relate very helpful and I hope you do too. Best of luck.

snugglepiggy · 12/11/2010 17:21

Went with my DH to sort ourselves out in aftermath of his inappropriate friendship with OW-not physical but secretive and caused a big upset in our otherwise long and happy marriage.We were so lucky to get a lovely counsellor who was very unbiased and nonjudgemental and it really,really helped us a lot.I still have the odd 'wobbly' day several months on as it was a massive shock to me- and may even go back on my own for a chat if they keep happening and she made us feel we could at any time.Best thing we did-wouldn't be together without it.All the best!

Wilferbell · 12/11/2010 17:53

My experience wasn't brilliant. The Relate counsellor suggested we were both responsible for our relationship - true enough - and that we were therefore also responsible for the fall-out from that relationship - definitely not true as DH had been unfaithful and I hadn't!

I also secretly felt that the counsellor was charmed by DH and saw me as a difficult and depressive person. Possibly just my paranoia, and lack of self-esteem, but I felt a bit as if I was being accused of complicity in DH's behaviour.

Worthwhile as a short-term coping strategy, though. I also felt it was evidence that DH was committed to repairing the damage he had caused.

snugglepiggy · 12/11/2010 18:57

Can empathise with last post as during our sessions at times I did feel very angry when out of it came the realization that at times I'd been a bit too controlling and overly pre-occuppied with a grown up DS's problems in the months leading up to and during his 'friendship'.Still don't feel this warranted his behaviour and probably never fully will if honest.But it did make me take a long hard look at myself,and feel I'll be a better person for it.Likewise the fact that he was willing to go to the sessions-his idea in fact did mean a huge amount and when I still have doubtful days I remind myself of that.Helps also that what ever the counsellor drew out of us both he firmly accepts responsibility for his mistake and bad choices.At times it felt the sessions were making things worse but in overall they were very beneficial so hope they are for you Geekgirl.

Bishoplyn · 12/11/2010 19:07

Like Snugglepiggy, the sessions me and XP had were difficult but made me realise there was fault on my side as well as his. We did go on to split up but I'm convinced me taking some of the responsibilty for what had gone wrong made the split a lot less acrimonious.

We were able to be seen more quickly as we were happy to go to a student counsellor. Though I sometimes wonder if a more experinced counsellor would have been more skilled at getting us to open up a bit more.

The cost of the sessions was means tested. We paid the full cost. I remember I could never get XP to pay his share!

Good luck!

Frizzbonce · 12/11/2010 23:35

I empathise with Snugglepiggy, Bishoplyn and Wilferbell about feeling initially 'blamed' for relationship troubles when if it's your partner who has strayed, you naturally think most of the issues are with them.

Not the case at all. Our Relate counsellor said: 'I get people coming in all the time saying - everything was fine before he/she had an affair and it's never the case. There are always problems before the affair occurs. It's never black and white. An affair is the symptom.'

But a good Relate counsellor won't take sides and shouldn't make you feel judged. You should feel supported and SAFE. Safe enough to say anything. Don't worry about planning what to say - just go with the flow. And I found it helped to make notes afterwards. At first you feel a bit silly but it does help to have a record.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 13/11/2010 12:42

Frizzbonce and I think that the Relate counsellor saying this is completely the wrong approach and serves to make the clients feel worse, because it immediately gives the unfaithful party "permission" for being unfaithful and the history re-writers of damaged relationships, to find examples of marital dissatisfaction.

I read a brilliant paper last year about this and about how infidelity therapists need to change their approach. If clients come to Relate with a one-sided domestic violence issue, no counsellor would dream of telling the couple that the violence was a joint responsibility of the marriage and that it was merely a symptom of problems in the relationship.

No-one is responsible for someone else's behaviour choice - and therefore their infidelity.

Whatever problems existed in the marriage, infidelity is actually an extreme behaviour choice, when others existed.

A Relate counsellor uttering the words "It's never the case..." is also the wrong approach, because that instantly betrays their own belief system, when they should be permanently curious and not sticking with a dogmatic hypothesis.

The reality is that affairs do happen in marriages that were happy and many unfaithful parties will be honest and report that marital dissatisfaction was not the driver for their affair; there are a myriad of reasons why people have affairs and it is lazy and unhelpful to assume that the affair was a symptom of marital discord, when it is often actually a symptom of something else entirely - in the person who chose to be unfaithful.

Unfortunately, from this dangerous hypothesis, other flawed concepts follow - that a "happy marriage" (whatever that means Hmm) is an insurance policy against infidelity, when it evidently isn't. That a faithful partner can prevent infidelity if they behave a certain way in the future. That if a partner is adoring enough, has sex enough, pays attention enough, this will keep the horror of infidelity from their doors.

FWIW, if a Relate counsellor had ever said this to us when we were coping with an infidelity crisis, we would have spent the entire session pointing out the flaws in this hypothesis, because it is lazy and fails to understand the true complexities of infidelity.

There is a world of difference between understanding with hindsight, how a relationship became vulnerable to infidelity and working on it thereafter to reduce the risk, but doing this in a vaccuum and without examining the other factors (individual vulnerability, societal beliefs and lifestyle vulnerabilities) doesn't ever get to the nub of the issue and is why long after Relate, couples still haven't got to the heart of what really caused this and effected the behaviour changes that were necessary in the first place.

timetosparkle · 13/11/2010 12:47

Great post, WWIFN. Are you a counsellor?

snugglepiggy · 13/11/2010 16:49

Just to clarify in no way did the counsellor make me feel it was because of me or my personality my DH gad got involved with OW -the conclusions I came to about my personality and behaviour at times came firmly from me.She was very non-judgemental and just provided what felt like a very safe place to discuss all that had happened in our marriage and our feelings about the affair and each other.She was very experienced and I felt we were lucky to get to see her so quickly and at weekly intervals as thats not possible in some areas.Having read Shirley Glass both myself and my DH feel that nothing was fundementally that wrong in our marriage-we were happy- and that's why it was such a massive shock.A set of circumstances, a very flirty and attention seeking woman and a DH who enjoyed the flattery and lost the plot for a few weeks -not to mention the curse of technology enabling much more frequent and secretive contact than would ever have been possible in years gone by all played their part.Hoping it's gone well for you todayGeekgirl.

Tortington · 13/11/2010 16:51

i felt it was a place where, infront of a stranger, a third person, i could say stuff, and then dh couldn't say it was normal - becuase things had been normalised in our relationship, that wern't normal. and when you say it out loud - its blatently ovcious

Frizzbonce · 13/11/2010 20:46

WhenwillIfeelnormal I take your point and yes it is possible that affairs can take place in a happy marriage. I also think it's ridiculous to think you can 'affair proof' a marriage - there are some daft books on that very subject.

But our counsellor was not 'sticking with a dogmatic hypothesis' - it was a remark made in the context of our discussing blame and how it didn't help to paint one partner as 'good' and the other 'bad'. I thought we were ok before it happened but when we dug deeper I realised that we weren't at all. It was helpful for us. Maybe not for another couple.

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