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I have a tantruming mother. Anyone know how to handle one?

21 replies

taintedpaint · 29/10/2010 10:47

She's driving me up the wall. We have a difficult relationship at times anyway. She is disproportionately immature if anything doesn't go her way and she will never accept she is wrong. Trust me, I'm not a spoilt child who won't concede defeat in an argument. I am just at the end of my tether with her. She flies off the handle at anything and I'm finding it difficult to bite my tongue.

I don't post in Relationships very often so I don't know if any of you remember me mentioning my mum before, but long story short is that she bullied me during childhood (subtley, but still) and does it even now. It was mainly in the form of keeping me down by telling me I wasn't as good as my siblings at things and my father didn't love me as much (I didn't need her to tell me that, but it still wasn't nice hearing it confirmed). I am very obviously not her favourite (doesn't bother me as such now like it did in childhood, but it does mean her temper is short with me and she chucks paddys at me a lot). Most of the time I let it go over my head but she's driving me nuts lately.

Anyone got coping strategies for this? Just anyway I can not let her bother me? I don't want to get into a row, I just want to keep the peace. She's the only parent I have so I just want to find a way to not dislike her (my dad is even worse, and a whole other story, they are divorced so I don't have to deal with them together and he basically isn't in my life now).

TIA. :)

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Katisha · 29/10/2010 10:52

Get this book
Might give you some strategies.

CerealOffender · 29/10/2010 10:54

can't you jsut ignore her. my mother is like this (worse actually). but i refuse to engage adn she now makes a huge effort to control herself when i am around.

remember you are an adult now and don't have to listen to it

Rachyandmeg · 29/10/2010 11:03

Hi there,

Yes I understand how you feel. I would also like to be taught some strategies on how to deal with mothers like this as I have similar issues. Quite often it turns into a arguement after her digs etc which I don't want because I want to remain composed and not take it on board therefore I end up feeling bad/guilty etc when didn't even start the arguement! X

CerealOffender · 29/10/2010 11:05

ignore ignore. they are just bitter and you can't hlep them. you can help yourself

taintedpaint · 29/10/2010 11:06

Thanks both of you for replying. :)

Katisha, I will check out the book, thanks for recommending it.

Cereal, I try, believe me, I try. But there's only so much of that I can do before I know she'll make matters worse by tantruming about being ignored. It really is like having a child around.

Part of me would love to distance myself entirely and just see her when I choose, but she is the lesser of two evils when it comes to my parents and I just don't want to have no one. It's tragic, I know, but I can't help it.

Grrr.

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CerealOffender · 29/10/2010 11:07

mine lives quite far away so it is easier.

taintedpaint · 29/10/2010 11:07

Rachy, I could've written that myself. Thanks for posting because although it sucks to know others are in my position, it's quite nice to know I'm not alone. :)

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colditz · 29/10/2010 11:15

Every time she throws a paddy, remove yourself.

When she challenges you with this, say "I could see that me being there was upsetting you, and I don't want you to be upset." If she kicks off, say "I can see you're getting upset again. I'm off home. I'll ring you later."

diddl · 29/10/2010 13:32

How often do you see her?
Cut down if possible.

For how long at a time?-again, cut down.

If she throws a tantrum then either go home or send her home.

CelticStarlight · 29/10/2010 15:04

Taintedpaint

It sounds to me that your mother has you on pins all the time and that she really isn't a nice person. The things she said to you as a child were damaging and hurtful and only someone quite cruel would say them. Now you are an adult and she is still playing up and making life intolerable.

You sound like a really nice, calm, rational person which means that you will always be at a disadvantage with someone like this. You are always trying to be 'good' and 'nice' and she simply couldn't care less.

I know you don't want to cut her off but I am willing to bet that whatever coping strategies you try to put in place will not work with her, she is toxic and making your life miserable.

There is NOTHING to say that we have to put up with this kind of behaviour from blood relatives. You may think that estrangement from both your parents will be the end of the world but, honestly, it really won't. It will be like shaking off a huge burden and finally living your life how you want to. I am estranged from both my parents and I live a lovely, peaceful life with people who really care about and love me. It is a joy to get up and not have to worry about trying to be a 'good daughter' to people who don't deserve it.

Life is very short and you deserve to be happy. :)

thefinerthingsinlife · 29/10/2010 15:08

I second buying the Toxic Parent book, my dad and sister are toxic, very similar to how you mum is, plus a few big things like currently paying for my sister's wedding yet not helping with mine at all (they did contribute £500 after a few of their friends comented on it)

I used to get fustrated and cry and pretty much hated myself until I read the book. Now I am the happiest i've ever been, I see my family approx. once every 3 months and thats plenty. I'm getting on with my life, i'm going to university ect, somthing I would never of attempted because "I wasn't good enough"

Good luck

corygal · 29/10/2010 15:11

Hiya Tainted - have you tried cutting down contact and/or only seeing her in public eg arranging outings rather than home visists.

Recruiting a third party (not DCs) to be there during visits can help too - abusive people behave much better in front of people they know less. Funny, that.

Just persevere with easing the contact levels down. Do Xmas & Birthdays then leave it. It takes time, but she won't change and you won't benefit from her.

Rachyandmeg · 29/10/2010 15:45

I used to go to my mums house every week 4 tea. I wud get dropped off but I got so fed up of the arguements which were every week and I had to wait 3 hours to be picked up . I decided to change our meeting not to her house but to neutral ground. We normally. Go to the pub now so if she starts I tell her I better be going home. She's a bit better because at the pub she can't start a row the same. I know my mum is very selfish.
Hi tainted yep I really do have these issues with my mother like you and the rest. X x

taintedpaint · 29/10/2010 16:37

Oh hi everyone, sorry, didn't notice all the replies until now!

I can't really cut her out completely even if I made the decision that I wanted to do so. I have my four-year-old nephew living with me (long story, don't think I've mentioned this on MN before) and he needs to have contact with her. I'm also pregnant which probably means my tolerance levels are well down on what they normally are. But I know her behaviour is not acceptable. I think I've just got into a pattern of desperately wanting her approval and I just don't think I'll ever get it. Even if I accept that my sister (and to an extent my brother as well) is the favourite over me, I think there's a part of me that tries to fight it. Grrr I don't know.

I just feel like I'd be lost if I had no contact with her (not that I can because of my nephew). My dad was out and out abusive to me so I think I've always played down my mum's behaviour and it's only since I've had custody of the LO that it's dawned on me how I will not do things with him IYGWIM.

I'm going to check out that Toxic Parents book as well, I think just the title makes it worth looking into!

I can't thank you all enough for your support today. I really needed to vent and the fact that you've all taken the time to reply really means a lot.

Thank you. :)

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taintedpaint · 29/10/2010 16:39

diddl, I see her a few times a week for varying time periods, I could probably cut it down to twice if I time pickups for the LO properly, but I can't make it less than that really.

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CelticStarlight · 29/10/2010 17:13

How does she treat your nephew TP, is she nasty to him?

taintedpaint · 29/10/2010 17:22

She's good with my nephew Celtic, and although I'm grateful for that, it does make her behaviour all the more maddening. Time will tell how she is with my baby.

Sometimes it feels like she's an angry teenager and I'm the target for her to take that out on. I know she had a shitty marriage for a long time, but that obviously does not excuse it.

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diddl · 29/10/2010 17:26

Is she allowed to have your nephew by herself so that at least sometimes you don´t have to put up with rubbish from her?

taintedpaint · 29/10/2010 17:29

She does pick him up for me once a week at the moment, I could probably put off picking him up from her until much later than I do.

I just need to think how to handle her when I'm on maternity leave. I've got a feeling she's going to try to 'help'.

Don't get me wrong, she has her moments when we do get on well, but can sometimes be horribly infrequent.

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Rhinestone · 29/10/2010 17:32

Tainted, are you me by any chance?! Grin

Seriously though, my mother doesn't so much tantrum as turn on the waterworks but it's the same thing - emotional blackmail, pure and simple. The ONLY way to deal with it in my opinion is to refuse to give in to it.

However this is MUCH easier said than done, not least because it's takes years and years before you realise what's going on. I've lost count of the number of times my father or my siblings have tried to get me to fall in with my mother's wishes by saying, "It'll upset Mum if you don't," or, "It'll make Mum happy."

I have only recently realised that actually, I'm allowed to be happy too and do what I want; if what I want conflicts with what Mum wants then maybe she'll just have to be disappointed. That's life. Her feelings are not more important than mine.

I've recently refused to back down over something and it felt so empowering I can't describe it. It was relatively trivial too but was something I just really didn't want to do but I got the emotional blackmail from her, my father and my sister.

As for dealing with it there's a great episode of 30 Rock where Jack (Alec Baldwin) gives Jenna advice on how to deal with the stages of a tantruming mother - although it's a comedy show, it's great advice!

"Say no." If you don't want to do something then say so and stick to it.

"Talk low". When she starts crying, shouting etc, stay calm and lower your voice.

"Let her go." When she flounces off / slams the phone down then don't go after her of ring her back. She flounced off, not you!

Say no; talk low; let her go!

diddl · 29/10/2010 17:35

I think the best thing is just to leave if possible when things aren´t nice for you.

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