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Need advice about DD contacting father

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GuineaPigPower · 27/10/2010 00:22

Hi, wasn't sure where to put this so thought I'd try here.

My DD (11yo) has never met her dad, he moved to Australia before I found out I was expecting her. There has been no contact from him since (although he has put money into my account every month).

A few weeks ago I had a phone call from an old friend who said that he had a stroke about a year ago and is now living with his parents (in the same town as us). I'm not sure how ill he is, friend said he has lost some memory but it is improving, but he does go to local pub every week.

I have always been as honest as I can with DD about him and she has always wanted to contact him, but accepted that she would have to wait until she was older. Because he has not been well I thought it best to try to explain to DD what my friend told me, and she is very keen to get in touch.

I have written him a letter and sent it to his parents address (about 2 weeks ago), explaining what friend told me and that DD is anxious to contact him. I was very calm, gave all ways of contacting me and told him that we do not want anything from him or his family only the chance for DD to know who her father is, I also asked for him to respond either way so that I would know he had received the letter. No respose.

I really could do with some advice with what to do next. How long should I wait for a response? A friend has suggested that I go to the pub he goes to and speak to him there...I don't know what to do

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 27/10/2010 00:30

The thing is that actually you do want quite a lot; you want your DD to know her father (and maybe his family), and that's a whole lot more than just him paying up every month, especially given that he's ill and presumably needing a lot of support from his own parents right now. Perhaps none of them feel ready for the emotional impact this will have?

I'd write again, perhaps offering all future steps in contact to be up to your ex; could he cope with emails rather than a meeting, right away? Then phone calls/texts/skpe?

Fronting in up in the pub is a no-no, I think.

BellasFormerFriend · 27/10/2010 00:34

2 weeks? after no contact for 11 years and a stroke? I would give it a bit longer tbh and see what happens. If nothing then send another letter simply saying that you need to know he has had the letter so you can work out what to tell dd next. If there is still nothing then you could look at more invasive/decisive steps but, at thus stage, patience is probably the way to go tbh.

GuineaPigPower · 27/10/2010 00:40

I know, I really don't think I could face that any way. I have given him my email address, home and mobile numbers and he has home address now if he wants to write. I said we could meet to chat about it if he feels better doing that, so he has all options available. I just feel sorry for DD, its difficult for her to understand and I'm starting to regret telling her (I do think not lying is for the best though)

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 27/10/2010 00:50

I absolutely agree that it's not on to lie to your DD. But if you've given him all of these options, and he hasn't responded, I'd leave it for now. He may make contact in six months, two weeks, or never, but forcing it won't help.

Explain to your DD that her DF is ill, and not fit for new contacts atm. I know it'll be hard for her to understand, especially as she is approaching that very "me me me" phase, but it's not as if she's lost something she was used to; contact with her father is a new thing.

GuineaPigPower · 27/10/2010 01:05

Thanks, you've given me a bit of perspective. Its hard to see things when you're in the middle of it sometimes

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 27/10/2010 01:09

That's what we're here for. :)

I wish you all the very best.

I think he will get in contact eventually; but he may be feeling a bit "What use can I be?" atm, so give him time to get used to the idea.

Wordweaver · 27/10/2010 08:56

Hi Guinea Pig,

Your DD is in much the same position I was when I was a child - a father who had no interest and a mother who was very honest and loving and supportive (I think your DD is very fortunate that she has you, btw).

Bit of background: I never met my father - he died when I was in my twenties before I felt ready to go and see him. But I did consider it when I was 'old enough' so to speak - I was 17/18. I had sent him a letter when I was 14 asking for a photo but he wrote back to my mother saying 'discourage further communication'. I actually had a session with a counsellor at my mother's request when I was 17/18 - she was happy for me to try to go and see him, but she wanted me to be as prepared as possible for the eventualities.

In the end, the one counselling session made me aware that I would not be able to cope with it if he shut the door in my face; I thought it through really carefully and I decided that I wanted to wait until I felt strong and mature enough. Hard to paraphrase such introspection without sounding trite, I hope you can see what I mean!

Anyway, I have told you all that because I wanted you to know that I have an understanding of how your DD may be feeling right now, and how painful it can be to feel unwanted by your father, even if you have the best mother in the world. And I think that the best thing you can do is to carry on as you are - finding out what she wants and basing all your decisions on what is best for her.

It may be that he doesn't respond at all. It may be that he needs thinking time. You have offered him the chance to have a wonderful gift - contact with his child. It's his choice whether he takes up that opportunity. But the effects of his decision will resound through your DD's life. You have written the letter. It's presumably reached him. I think you are absolutely right to be honest with your DD, and that means telling her the hard stuff as well.

My mum used to say to me that my father knew that he would be welcome to make contact if he wanted to. She would say that it was impossible for us to know what his reasons were for not wanting to know me, but that she could only assume he was scared of responsibility and couldn't cope with being a father. She said this with no bitterness - just a statement of fact. She would always say that it didn't make him a bad man, but that he was not a strong man. I grew up understanding that my father wasn't evil or a saint - he was an ordinary man who for whatever reason had not been able to cope with becoming a father.

I'd imagine that your DD has had and may have some very sad times as a result of this, but it's clear that you will always be there for her in every way.

If he doesn't reply to you, perhaps she will want to write to him herself and some point. I wouldn't suggest this, but if she asks, I would agree and let her do it.

I think the best thing you can do is to listen to what she wants, which is exactly what you are doing. She wants contact, so you have given him the opportunity to fulfil that request. But you cannot force him, and I don't think that going to the pub would be a good idea - you would be putting him on the spot and be unlikely to get a good response.

You have offered him an amazing chance - I hope he takes it. But if he doesn't, he cannot be made to do what you hope he will. All you can do is to help and guide your DD through her feelings, and enable her to try to understand and make some peace with the situation.

There was a thread earlier this year from someone who was trying (as an adult) to contact her biological father - it's not the same situation as your DD is in, but it might be interesting for you to read it at some point in terms of what may or may not be ahead for your DD. I'll try to find the link.

Wordweaver · 27/10/2010 08:58

This is the thread I mentioned above

GuineaPigPower · 27/10/2010 12:41

Thankyou Wordweaver, I have read the thread and its good to hear the points of view of people in my DDs situation.

I think I am quite similar to your mum in the way that I don't, or let any other family members say anything against her father around her. I have told her what I think to be true, which is that he just cannot cope with the responsibility, not that he does not care. he is not a horrible person and DD is like him in a number of ways.

She has a couple of old photos of him, not very clear but better than nothing, so at least she doesn't have to imagine what he looks like. They are some of her most treasured possessions.

I think you sound like a very nice, wise, well-rounded person. I realise that it has taken you a lot of upset to get to where you are today and I wish you every happiness.

The one thing I do worry about, and was mentioned on the other thread, was it being too late, but I suppose that there is nothing I can do about that and I will be here for DD whenever she needs me.

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Wordweaver · 27/10/2010 13:45

Thank you so much for your kind words. I hope that your DD will find her father more accessible and interested than mine was. But whatever his response, she has a wonderful mother, as did I. It really, truly does make all the difference.

I am so glad for your DD that she has you. As you have referred to, she has half his genes and very possibly some of his personality traits. It would be very upsetting to be told as a child that half your make-up came from a terrible person.

I think I mentioned on the other thread that one of the strange/hard things growing up in the 70s/80s was the sense of being so different from everyone else. I don't know if your DD knows other people who don't know their father, but I'd recommend keeping an eye out for documentaries that are about this issue. There was one a few years ago and I remember thinking how much it would have comforted me when I was a teenager - just knowing I wasn't alone, it wasn't just me. Other people get through it.

As you said, there isn't a lot you can do about the worry that DD may not get to meet him before it's too late. All you can do is to be there to listen to and support her. In the end, whatever difficult times lie ahead of her in any way, it's the tools you are giving her now that will enable her to get through them. It sounds as if you are giving her some great, healthy tools.

It did help me, when I found out that my father had died, to know that I hadn't been ready to go and meet him - to know that I had made the right decision for me, at the time. And that came through the counselling session.

I wonder if any books are available, written for children, that address this issue? I was just sitting here wondering if there was anything I could write about my experience that might in some way be interesting/helpful to read for your DD. I don't know if anything like that exists, but perhaps it should. I'd be interested to know if you think something like that might help her.

There are plenty of children out there with two parents who have nothing like the love and intelligent support your DD obviously has. I am sure that like me, she has an immensely happy childhood.

GuineaPigPower · 27/10/2010 15:32

Thats a lovely idea. I've had a look on Amazon and can't see anything suitable. If you do ever feel like writing anything, please let me know, I'm sure it would help to hear about your experiences.

DD did meet a girl on holiday in the same position as her, I think it reassured her that she is not alone/strange etc. Thanks again for your help.

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readywithwellies · 27/10/2010 15:39

Hi, how do you know dd's father received it for sure? He may be unable to read or process the words, or the postman may have lost it.

Wait another two weeks and if no reply, I would send another by recorded delivery so I could be sure it had got there.

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