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How to handle this friend

30 replies

quietplease · 15/10/2010 21:41

I have a couple of friends who have been made redundant in the last year. they both worked in the private sector whereas DH and I work in the public sector.

In the past, both friends have earned way in excess of the money I've earnt. Both have had loads of "perks" like bonuses, company cars, gym membership etc. One of them has a holiday home abroad, something that we could never afford.

Since both lost their jobs, things have been tough for them financially, as you'd imagine. Both are looking really hard for something else, both have had interviews and neither has got anything.

Friend A (Jennifer) is having a particularly bad time because her DH was made redundant at the same time and they have both been unable to get a new job. They have three children. Friend B (Amanda) has a well-paid husband and only one child, so her position is not so bad as Jennifer's.

I'm finding it increasingly hard to know how to handle Amanda. Jennifer wears her heart on her sleeve - she'll come out for a drink and tell us all how worried she is about their finances and that they don't know how they're going to cope when the redundancy money runs out. Although I don't always know exactly what to say, I can usually give her a hug and buy her a drink and make her laugh - not sure there's anything else I can offer.

Amanda is entirely different. She hates going to sign on because of all the "scumbags" in the dole office. I can understand this must make her feel crappy and I know I don't have experience of this (not because I've never been unemployed because I have and I remember how I felt but I didn't claim benefits). She claims she saves her dole money for the family holiday (they're going to Florida). She is constantly having a "go" at what she perceives my husband's salary to be (she is wrong, by the way!).

We had two holidays this summer (first time ever - because we didn't have a holiday last year) and she wouldn't let this drop. Because we work in the public sector, she keeps writing things on my facebook page about how much of taxpayers money is being wasted on public sector salaries and pensions. She has questioned my husband's working patterns, shifts, hours, pay and his ability to earn overtime. She questions this with the air of somebody who can't believe how "their" money is being spent.

I honestly don't know what to say to her or how to handle her. Her position is rubbish, I know, because she's lost her job, but she still has a (lovely) roof over her head and a lovely DH who earns enough money to make them comfortable.

TBH I think my DH earns a fair salary for the amount of responsibility on his shoulders, and in any case, I don;t think it's any of her business. She has no real idea of what he does, only knows what she reads in the papers (which she uses on my facebook page....)

I don't want to make things awkward (been there before - she was wretched to me after I had my second child - she had tried to conceive a second child and failed) - but then again we have several friends in common and she tends to be the organiser of social functions/get togethers. Last time she fell out with me (when I had the baby) she stopped inviting me to things and I hardly ever saw our mutual friends because they didn't realise (until it was too late) that I hadn't been asked along.

Wat's her problem? Help!

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silveryfox · 15/10/2010 21:47

She sounds awful! Her problem is she's jealous, and incredibly selfish! What do your mutual friends think? Do they know how horrible she's being to you? You shouldn't have to put up with that! Especially not from someone who is supposed to be a friend! Hmm

perfumedlife · 15/10/2010 21:49

She sounds like a cow. Seriously. And she was nasty because you conceived and she didn't?

Why worry, drop her.

msboogieHallowqueen · 15/10/2010 21:53

What a jealous selfish cow. I wouldn't give her the time of day except to publicly point out to her that she is a jealous, miserable whinging bitch.

quietplease · 15/10/2010 21:54

Our mutual friends see part of the problem but not the whole. For example, they don't use facebook so don't see what she writes and you sort of feel like you're "telling tales" if you were to talk to them about it.

For some reason, she seems to single me out - I can;t imagine her ever speaking to the others the way she speaks to me (to their face, via text or on facebook). I'm a few years younger (five years I think) and they are all the same age and she tends to try to pit them against me, for example, if I say I feel knackered, she'll say "wait until you're our age" and of course, they'll agree with this because she'll give them a knowing look and she's got them on the topic (and on side).

I'm starting to wonder whether she might be a bit of a bully.

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savoycabbage · 15/10/2010 21:55

Her problem is she's jealous. She was willing to be your friend when she had more money that you, but not now! I would confide in one of the other friends. Tell her how you are feeling about it and that you are concerned that the social organiser might try to 'phase you out'.

aleene · 15/10/2010 21:56

I'm struggling to see why you would want to be friends with her. it is not a nice feeling but I would walk away if I were you.

quietplease · 15/10/2010 22:00

She tried to conceive a second child for quite some time. It took me ages to get pregnant with my first but my second was very quick (took me by surprise after TTC for so long first time).

She was supposed to come and see the baby but kept ducking out. I put it down to her feeling a bit funny about it (understandably if you're TTC and nothing's happening - I remember that feeling well) but she eventually arranged a firm time then didn't show up (texting me four hours later to apologise and say she'd gone swimming). She eventually dropped of a present and a card (the present was a cake, which I thought was odd because it clearly wasn't a "baby" present).

Within the first fortnight of my second child being born, she'd fallen out with me big time (sending snotty texts) because I'd had to cancel an arrangement so I could stay home for the health visitor to come (I gave 24 hours notice of the change in plan).

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chandra · 15/10/2010 22:09

ok...

1st. This friendship is not bringing any good things to you, it's very destructive. You can let her go. Without dramas, just don't make a fuss and start getting more distant. As for the comments on Facebook, just delete them, either she gets the hint of you block her.

2nd. If you want to be in contact with your friends, become the social organiser. You can't rely on other people, be it good friends or not, to organise social functions/get togethers for you.

mumofthreesweeties · 15/10/2010 22:11

You need to ditch her OP, it is really draining having negative and jealousy filled people in one's life. I did a whole lot of ditching of friends recently, including relatives too who were jealous and spreading malicious rumours. My life has never been more content

PurpleLostPrincess · 15/10/2010 22:11

She sounds absolutely hurrendous - definitely make it clear to one of the mutual friends that you don't want to be cut out of the social calendar as that would be unfair - you don't have to go into details as to why... I would agree that she is a bully, who would treat somebody like that, at any time but even more so just after having a baby Shock. She is jealous and quite nasty - it makes me furious to know there are people like this in the world!

By the way, as far as facebook goes, did you know that you can stop people posting on your wall, and you can be selective about who you do and don't want to see it etc? Personally I'd remove her as a 'friend', but if you'd rather avoid that, you can limit what she can write. It's none of her bloody business what you or your dh earns and what you do with it, awful awful!!

quietplease · 15/10/2010 22:13

If you stop them posting on your wall, won;t they know that??

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DinahRod · 15/10/2010 22:28

Have it out with her or quietly cut her, according to what suits you best.

How anyone can be so mealy mouthed to begrudge someone for having a job, I don't know. Presumably you didn't begrudge her having one more highly paid and with perks. Being spitefully envious is not an attractive personality trait.

uppie · 15/10/2010 22:39

How can Amanda sign on and get benefits if her husband is working? Confused

Suda · 15/10/2010 22:49

Sounds like a controlling opinionated know-it-all and bully. I would bet you any amount of money that you are far from the only one in the group who feels like that. As long as she is allowed to carry on like that she will - and she's picked you because bullies always hand pick their victims - they are very good at that. The others may not feel as bad about her because they will not be treated as badly as you by her. But they will have noticed her behaviour and there must be one you can confide in - carefully at first maybe not give a name - they may well guess right first time who you mean - then you can open up a bit without having being the one who brought her up personally - IYSWIM.

Look up Assertiveness or How to deal with difficult people - I think if you just knew how to stand up to her a bit better she might well back off.

GoodDaysBadDays · 15/10/2010 22:54

Just what I was thinking uppie

SarahStratton · 16/10/2010 08:32

Hmm sounds like Queen Bee's perch is a bit shakey :( What a cow, you do not need people like this in your life. I love the word 'toxic' I learnt it on here, and it is SO appropriate for people like her.

You may well find that the others secretly feel the same way about her, that often is the case. But IME (and I've been in a similar situation) it isn't worth the fall out to bother putting feelers out about this. If it happened to me again, I would just quietly set about getting myself a new set of friends.

noteventhebestdrummer · 16/10/2010 08:36

Block her on facebook and tell her you're having problems with your account, that will at least stop that side of things.

If she asks you if you've done this just lie!!

quietplease · 16/10/2010 09:13

She claims benefits because she and DH are actually DPs (not married but living together). I'm assuming this makes a difference to what you can claim? When I was unemployed, I assumed I wouldn't get anything because I was married and DH earns enough.

I'm very tired of her TBH. She's on Facebook at all hours (late night, early morning) commenting on everything I do and sniping about my husband's job/salary.

She has this idea that my life is somehow "perfect" and constantly tells me "it's alright for YOU" on all manner of topics. I have more friends than her locally because I live in my home town and she's from 200 miles away - so this is "alright for ME" because I have "loads of friends". When I try to reason with her or make her feel better (eg pointing out that this is bound to be the case, as it's my home town), she doesn't seem to take on board what I say. You know when someone just wants to find a problem with something....like she's decided I'm fair game to have a pop at.

I did try to block someone once. I blocked them and everyone they knew (who were really just acquaintances) but she found out I'd done it, seemingly immediately. My tactic was, as you say, to tell her I had a problem with my account. I still don't know how she found out really because it's not as though she could have asked someone else if they could still see me - they were all blocked too, so they couldn't find me on FB.

There really are some scarily toxic people out there, eh? Living normal lives, could be your neighbour. Wonder what goes on in their heads??

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WhatsWrongWithYou · 16/10/2010 09:30

Erm my understanding is that co-habiting is treated in the same way as marriage as far as benefits go; brings up a few questions if she's claiming!

Anniegetyourgun · 16/10/2010 09:36

Hmm, if they actually live together and have joint finances/she is economically dependent on him, I think she would be having to tell a rather edited version of the truth to the Jobcentre in order to get dole money. So it is quite possible that she is actually defrauding the taxpayers she identifies with. How interesting.

PolarEyes · 16/10/2010 09:37

Re the JSA: if you've paid enough NI contributions in the 2 previous tax years you can claim contribution based JSA for 6 months. Contributions based means her savings/DP's earning etc are not taken into account.

As for this particular "friend's" behaviour, it doesn't like she is a friend at all. I think your options are either to ignore or have it out with her. Can't see her taking to the latter very well so I suppose how much her comments are getting to you (which I totally understand why they are) but she doesn't strike me as someone who can be reasoned with.

Lotofdamnationandhellfire · 16/10/2010 09:37

Remove herself from your friend's line of fire. Stop putting things onto facebook for a while. If she puts something on your wall that is derogatory then delete the comment. Say your dc's or mother were reading it and felt offended on your belhalf.?

I've a friend who is not quite as toxic as this but she is really blinkered with her approach to her kids. They can do no wrong, her ds and my ds are friends and whenever there is a tussle or spot of bother she is always jumping in and saying it was my ds's fault. I've stopped the ds's seeing one another after school.

So could you stop seeing her apart from social get togethers? Or arrange some of your own without her?

Lotofdamnationandhellfire · 16/10/2010 09:37

meant remove yourself

Iwishiwasalive · 16/10/2010 09:52

You need to block her on facebook and in rl. If you don't feel comfortable blocking her on facebook why not close your account and tell everyone that you just don't want to use it anymore. Leave it for a few months and open a new account with your real friends (not any friends in common with her obv!)

She is not a friend and anyone who thinks she is is also not a friend.

ItsGhoulAgain · 16/10/2010 14:16

Agree. She sounds very mixed-up and angry. Yes, I think she is a bully. I would block her on facebook and make more frequent efforts to keep in touch with your other friends independently - while building up some new ones.

What does she want you to do? Resign from your jobs so you're in the same boat? Pay her a salary?? Her sense of entitlement is making her irrational. Nothing you can do about that :(

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