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DH left me a month ago and has refused all contact with me since. Please help.

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Banks · 01/10/2010 14:49

The story is very long, but I'll try and nutshell it for you.

I met dh four years ago. He holds very prestigious degrees but had been unemployed and living in his parents' basement for half a year when I met him. He was undergoing adjustment disorder after having left his career as a corporate attorney to volunteer in the Sudan. He spent two years there. When we met, I thought it would just be a fling. But I quickly developed feelings for him. After three months of dating, I told him that he needed to decide what he was doing or I had to leave as I was falling in love with him. He assured me that he would stay in our hometown. He even went through the very long and involved interview process with the two top law firms in town and had offer letters in hand from both. But at about five months into our relationship, he received an offer from Médecins Sans Frontières and took it without counsulting me about it. The job was overseeing their efforts in 15 different countries in Africa. He asked me to join him. I did, giving up my whole life (great job, great car, great flat, cat, etc.).

I had a hellish time. I was sick with infectious disease the whole two years we lived abroad (I had everything from TB to MRSA to malaria to dysentery everything). It was horrible for me. But I stayed because I loved him. I accompanied him to site visits on occasion and saw such horrible things that I can't even begin to descrbie emaciated children left in the mud to die, babies who had been raped so that their insides were falling out, albinos whose heads had been severed for voodoo purposes, women who had their labia cut off and eaten in front of them, etc.).

When his contract was satisfied, we returned to the States (is it ok that I'm an American?, I hope so...). But we didn't go back to the smaller city that we were both from. Because of the economy, we moved to New York City. DH got a job as a highly paid lawyer again.

During this time, I started developing symptoms of PTSD. Neither he nor I really recognized it as such during the first year. Of course, I also had HUGE adjustment disorder NYC is a hard city to live in even if it's your dream and adjustment disorder can affect even expats who are returning from London (which is a far cry from places like Bangui or Goma). I barely ever left the apartment. I made ZERO friends. I stayed at home and cried all day, basically. I did not find a job or even try. I did nothing that I used to do. I felt destroyed. I would fly into rages at him over the smallest things rages that were extremely scary for both of us (but less so for me as I hardly recalled them after the fact (which, according to the therapist I just found two weeks ago is very typical of people with PTSD)). I have ongoing physical medical issues that I developed while living in Africa, including one that means that I may be infertile. I blamed him for all of that and really verbally abused him. I admit that and totally regret it. Occasionally, when I would get into a very heightened state, he would attempt to restrain me and I would fight him off of me. We both left bruises on each other on a few occasions.

It was truly horrendous. I did start seeing a therapist a year after this behavior started happening, but she was someone I picked randomly from a list of names that my insurance approved of and was not at all trained to deal with cases like mine. She validated a lot of my bad thoughts and behaviors instead of challenging them and my condition actually worsened during the time I saw her.

My dh is a very passive person and never really challenged me on the behavior. He always reassured me that he understood and loved me.

But in August I took a trip to a European city that we were planning to live in to make sure that it REALLY was as nice as it seemed. He was to have joined me at the end of the month, but instead of doing that he lied about being sick (saying that he was vomiting and had bad diarrhea and that he might have Crohn's disease or colon cancer). He said that he was going back to our home town to seek proper medical care (which made sense to me as it is hard to find good care in NYC). I flew back to meet him and, in front of my mother and father, he said that he needed a separation from me.

I was completely shocked. I had no idea it was coming. The last emails he had sent to me said things like "I can't wait to see you soon and hold you in my arms", stuff like that.

He didn't even tell my parents that before flying to our home state, he had filed for divorce in New York.

He was talking to my mother a for months behind my back about my behaviors and did not seem to accept that they came from PTSD. He had built this image in his mind that I am just abusive-- even though I never have been before and never was to him until after the disorder set in. She did not tell me because he made me seem so dangerous, she thought I might seriously harm myself or him if she did.

While I admit that the fight-or-flight rages were scary, I was pretty shocked to learn that he had taken them as an indication of who I was and what I really intended, not a symptom of an illness like vomiting.

He now refuses to talk to anyone in my family, saying that he thinks that I "can't change". Which is so absurd as he saw me change right before his eyes from a woman who would (and did) do anything to him to a radically depressed and PTSD ridden creature.

His leaving gave me the shock I neeeded to gain the perspective on what was going on. I now have found a very good therapist who specializes in the disorder, I am on meds to keep my mood stable, and, most importantly, somehow all of it seems to have just been blown off. I feel like a drunk who hit rock bottom and I'm done with all of it-- I have heard from many medical professionals that this can happen as anger becomes a self-medication addiction in some people in much the way that drugs do for others. I just have to work to maintain it.

The only thing is that dh won't talk or give me a chance. He has refused to go to counseling with me. Everyone who knows me thinks I should just let him go-- that it's horrific for a man who purports to be compassionate for others to misrepresent the behaviors of his sick wife as fundamental personality flaws in order to leave her with a clear conscious. That it was horrific of him to ask me to uproot my life and to keep me in such an unsafe place where I was getting so sick all the time. But I know that he loves me and I believe that where there is love, there is hope. I think he has what they call compassion fatigue going on (something that often happens to the SOs of those with PTSD). I just hope he can snap out of it.

So, please, tell me what you think. Honestly. I really need a way to try to just talk to him. I have no idea how this is even within the remote realm of possibility. Even if we do end up splitting, this silence is too cruel to bear.

OP posts:
Banks · 01/10/2010 20:06

atswimtwolengths,

So in an ideal world, you would have a different relationship with a different man?
Ha, that made me scoff at myself a bit. I know it does sound like ridiculous madness, and there were so many terrible indicators-- up to and including the elaborate deception at the end.

I guess I'm prepared to accept him and love him because a lot of the things I have said over the past year or so have been objectively vile. I think we all have things that are reprehensible in us, but that we all have good too. He also has always maintained that the videos were downloaded accidentally along with normal porn... Like I said, I do not really believe that but it could be true. It is also possible that he did see the error of his ways in that and did give it up. I still believe that people can change-- either for the better or the worse. I certainly changed for the worse after going through two years of hell and being unable to adjust to NYC and just sorta letting myself fall apart into this barely recognizable troglodyte. That's not my core being, however... Which I think was always underneath, subsumed by resentment and illness. What I don't know is if the things that are wrong with him (the self-centeredness, the lack of compassion, the inability to learn how to be a good sexual partner, the porn thing, etc.) are fundamental to him or if they are top layers that can be peeled off.

I think it would be very sad and unfair if I walk away from this with a better sense of who I am and where my strengths and weaknesss are and how I can best grow and he has himself fully convinced that it's all my fault and that I always harbored a monster in me and that it would have come out had I not been subjected to two years of immense physical and mental strain or not.

I still love him. I know that I will always love him in some way (my ex and I are very good friends now-- dh knows that and was supposedly ok with it, but, hey, who knows how he really felt). I am worried that he'll stay stuck.

I know, I should only be focused on myself right now. But somehow the madness that is love is the strongest one and the most difficult to shake off.

OP posts:
nearlytoolate · 01/10/2010 20:39

'it seems like most men have a porn habit these days' Er, no. Really, they don't.

'For the last four years of my life, I was miserable for some reason or other'. - you met him four years ago you say? How long had you known him before you married, and why did you marry?

You sound to be unhealthily hooked on the idea of the 'madness' of love and what it made you do - I agree with other posters that this was a dysfunctional relationship from the outset. You didn't even have good, loving, healthy sex and yet you say you were deeply, 'madly' in love. You have an unrealistic idea of being able to 'peel away' his faults to find the 'real him' - I'm sorry this sounds like romantic fantasy. In fact I think if you don't work out why you are behaving like this you will in due course find yourself in another relationship trying to 'save' another dysfunctional damaged person.

Blu · 01/10/2010 20:45

Banks - thanks for being so open, because we are challenging you quite a bit.

My history with dodgy men.
To begin with, I am an oldest child, with high maintenance younger siblings - I learned early to cope with everything, make allowances and manage without much attention. I was younger than many of my friends, and less mature. (I went through school a year ahead of myself, for some reason). I was athletic and not into being well groomed. So when the whole boyfriend business started, I felt I just had to have one - any one - to have credibility or jooshz. And I am a naturally tolerant person, who tends not to take things personally, so didnt flounce off at soe bad behaviour that others might have done.
The big one was a relationship with someone i DID love, and got a lot from. WE had incredible life-changing experiences and professional opportunities together. Involving tavel - like you. BUT he became ever more dependent on drink and drugs, was wildly unfaithful, and LUUURVED me. He was badly damagd - he had been abandoned by his mother, and never believed that anyone would love him uncnditionally and permanently. So he tested me to try and make it a self-fulfillling prophesy. "see - look what i've done NOW - now you'll leave me, just like I said you would, because you don;t love me the way I love you". And I would rise to the challenge. I did love him, I did get things out of our time together. But I also wanted the heroism of being the one who did better than his mother, who saved him, and probably salved some sort of martyrdom thing by 'behaving well' when he messed up. I could always give myself brownie points.

I left when I realised that he would push to worse and more self-destructive things to prove he was right.

But I got a lot out of our relationship, moved on, and am now in an equal partnership with an adult who meets me half way on things like committment, honesty, etc etc.

You have had fantastic expeiences during your marriage. Following your good job etc (which yo can get again, and then some) you have had rare experiences. Often bad, but you must also have learned a lot, which is cross-transferable You have developed a love of Berlin and an idea that you could choose to live there. You don't need to be a victim in all this. Take the good bits, and walk away learning to live with someone who was not wholly honest with you.

Blu · 01/10/2010 20:50

I mean walk away learning to live WITHOUT somepne who was not wholly honest...of course!

P.S a bit of me will always love a bit of my forme partner, I wasn't wrong to love what was good about him, but I was wrong to think i could make it the right relationship for me.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 01/10/2010 21:13

Banks I don't want to be unkind to you at all at the moment, but honestly, you've got to step out of this TrulyMadlyDeeply fantasy and wake up to some realities.

Most men do not enjoy seeing children being raped, they do not refuse to give their partner sexual pleasure and complain that her vagina looks like an adult's, so they are not going to touch it and there is something else going on here...you thinking that you shouldn't give up. He has left the relationship - the decison has been made.

Sure, he might want you back when he has tired of whoever the OW is, but let's hope by then the fog will have lifted and you will have seen him and this relationship with considerably more clarity.

Bonsoir · 01/10/2010 21:16

Banks - your relationship with your H sounds absolutely dreadful, from start to finish. I think you should seek out some proper support (a therapist alone will not be enough) and use this opportunity to move on.

YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 01/10/2010 21:24

Banks I'm sorry but I feel wary about giving you too much advice because I think you are in a very vulnerable state at the moment.

Your relationship and issues are built on trauma, my trauma was built from the mh issues themselves.

The best advice I can give you is to get well.

What have you got to lose in concentrating on you and putting getting your h back on the back burner?

If you chase him now he will run and you won't mend anything.

If you wait and get well and he (or you) decide divorce is for the best, then you will be able to cope with it

If you wait and get well and look into mending things together then you will be in a position to build on any successes.

So there really is only one answer, and that is to move on, without him for now.

I started a thread a long time ago about how to cope when you realise you won't get all the answers you want when you split up. And the awful answer is that you won't. You have to come to terms with the fact that you may not get to say what you need to, or hear what you need to.

If there are things you need to say why not write them down (don't post it to him) just to get the. Out of your head. It's amazing how effective it can be to clear out the thoughts you have going around and around in there.

He does not sound like a catch, but I know you cant hear that right now :)

SolidGoldBrass · 01/10/2010 21:31

You will not get well until you ditch the idea that love is what will save you and that you can somehow 'make' this man love you and remain your partner when he has said he no longer wants to be your partner. No other person or relationship will fix you, and you would do a lot better by making a commitment to yourself to remain single for the forseeable future, until you have really got yourself sorted out.

runmeragged · 01/10/2010 21:36

I would urge you to listen to WWIFN.

This man is essentially a deranged paedophile and he has done you a big favour by leaving you. You sound like a good person - willing to overlook some monstrous failings in your DH - but there comes a point where you have a responsibility to yourself and any potential children not to.

He was unable to remove you from the situation where you were extremely ill with infectious diseases so the bottom line is that he is unable/unwilling to be there for you. He'll make a terrible father, if he ever has children.

I don't really understand why you were out of contact with your family for so long. I understand that you were physically/mentally ill - but he should have called your mum, told her to fly out and get you to safety immediately.

In fact, in your position, I would return to your home town where your family is. Ask them for support, tell them what's happened and concentrate on getting yourself back. Family, job, flat, cat etc...and never let this man back into your life ever again. Can you not see that your life was great and this bloke derailed it?

Honestly he sounds like a monster.

Blu · 01/10/2010 21:49

Banks - I posted my reply to your question about my relationships without reading through the thread - I missed your post about the interest in extreme cruelty, child rape, porn and sexual dysfunction.

My former partner did some startlingly 'out there' stuff - had a child with someone else during our relationship, and other things. BUT, seriously, what you describe would have freaked me out.

You are well out of this, and SolidGoldBrass speaks true.

While ever you seek affirmation from him you are seeking something that will poison you. You feel rejected? Maybe that's what he wants you to feel. For the power. So don't. Free yourself, as quckly as possible.

Blu · 01/10/2010 21:55

Actually, sorry, Banks - I have just recalled you said that he is white and you are not.

I am now shuddering at what you told us about the situations in Africa he allowed you to witness, his interest in children being raped, and his need to dominate and humiliate you. He brought you into a situation where his parents despise you.

My blood runs cold.

You know what I think? If you have PTSD it is as much from living with him, as from what you witnessed.

perfumedlife · 01/10/2010 21:56

It's either too much Cinderella thinking or you are hooked on the idea of his wealth. There can be no logical reason why you think there is love here. There isn't. There is abuse, violence, denial but no love.

This is where I lose patience with therapy speak. The only counselling you need is to work out why you thought this was ever a good idea.

Please work on yourself, and on getting yourself back, your health and peace of mind. This is your break.

nearlytoolate · 01/10/2010 22:02

I agree with Blu - I suspect your ill health and breakdown were to do with living with him, isolated from your family (and friends?) far away from home and your support networks.

Lemonstartree · 02/10/2010 14:10

Banks. ALL the 'therapy speak' in the world, and my goodness you spout some, will not alter the fact that this man no longer wants to be in a relationship with you. He is an adult, he has the right to decide this and you cannot MAKE him want to try again. All your justifications sound to me just like my alcoholic ex "my vows mean something to me', your have 'issues' with abandonment etc etc self justifying claptrap - and that's what you sound like.

The way he left is cruel. No conversation is cruel. But, just because YOU didn't seethe end coming doesn't mean HE has not been trying to tell you - 'the next time will be the last' you just didn't hear it. Being abused in any way robes people of the right to 'feel' as they do, and even when they say it, the abuser often doesn't hear.

You sound like a right mess. Desperate to have him love you so you put up with anything... crap sex life, underage porn ? a partner who makes life changing decisions without discussing it with you ? I'm sorry,what self respecting woman thinks this is 'love'. Wake up to yourself. All this, 'Ive traveled to 50 countries...' so what ? I thought I could help him on a journey of self discovery ???? what planet are you on ???

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