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Is this violence? Help me define this behaviour

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OkeyDokeySpud · 29/09/2010 21:21

OK, I know how stupid and pathetic I sound, but what is this?:

DH occasionally (maybe 4 times a year???) bangs me, subtly, when he is cross. He maybe moves his elbow out when he walks past me, banging me, or pokes, pushes, or bangs me whilst reaching past me for something. This morning in the throws of a 'discussion', he reached to take ds from me in the dark and pushed his hand in to my face and then a moment later elbowed me in the face.

It's always done very subtly, even though he has done it in front of the dc, they would not notice. It's done in such a way that he could deny having done it, and he often does, although he does normally admit to it afterwards.

It never actually hurts, but it feels violating, and is very upsetting.

I have described it as violence, which he disagrees with, and tbh that does seem somewhat melodramatic, but passive aggressive doesn't seem to be a strong enough definition.

I suspect he may a mild borderline personality disorder, and I have looked this up on the internet and often follow threads on here about those types of things.

The relationship is a bit of a disaster, and we are going to see a counsellor next week. My agenda is to see if there's any way we can effectvely parent our children together without damaging them, for a little longer.

Does anyone have any experience of this type of behavious. I would like to know what it is, what it should be called. It is deliberately hard to define, and not being able to articulate exactly what it is makes me feel powerless.

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ontherainbow · 02/10/2010 01:24

I have to disagree that counselling may not work. It might. But he really has to want it(no actully, he really has to realise what he is doing and that it is wrong) and want to change his behaviour.

He obviously isnt happy within himself (ie suicidal thoughts) and as clichey as it is...

if you cant love yourself, how can you expect anyone else to?

I think a lot of people with low-self esteem (sounds like he has) cant accept or allow others to love them however hard you or they try

good luck

dittany · 02/10/2010 12:09

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mathanxiety · 03/10/2010 00:21

'On the other hand.
(1)He doesn't constantly undermine me.
(2)He is very complementary about me when he is on good form, and he relies on me socially in many ways.
(3)I wonder if he was attracted to me as a force for good in his life.
4)I really believe that he wants to be good, and some of the time manages it, but actually he doesn't know how to be.
(5)He doesn't know how not to put himself first, or to control his temper.
(6)He doesn't actually understand that he isn't good, then he has these periods of lucidity where he appreciates how bad things have got, and says he wants to kill himself.
(7)He is desperate for a loving warm relationship, and genuinely doesn't appreciate why he has forced me in to a position where that is impossible.

(8)He earns a great salary and is under tremendous pressure at work.'

This, with maybe a different arrangement of words, a longer or shorter version, and maybe differences of vocabulary, is the verse and chorus of the ballad of every abused woman who has ever posted on MN. The ballad is called "On The Other Hand".

(1)He doesn't have to do it constantly. You are on a maintenance schedule. The dosage can be increased and fine tuned as he deems necessary.

(2)The compliments are there to keep you sweet and keep you optimistic that one day the clouds will part and you will have the 'good DH' forever. This is malignant optimism. It is not your friend.

(3)He relies on you socially because he knows you will take care of things that are too much bother to him to attend to. And he knows you will put your best foot forward and put on your happy face as required, thus colluding in the creation of the Mr and Mrs Lovelymiddleclasslife image that makes him look so good.

(4)He was attracted to you because he is a vampire and you are blood. He cannot live without you because you are his sustenance; he needs to put you down in order for him to feel 'up'.

(5)He knows how to be 'good' (which is a term we use for children not adults). He doesn't see the use for being 'good' continuously, but being 'good' intermittently has the effect of keeping you hanging in there hoping for better things. He behaves according to the usefulness of the behaviour, not because of duty or because deep down he knows how to treat someone respectfully.

(6)You are absolutely right that he doesn't know how not to put himself first. He is using his temper, however, not losing it, just as he is using 'being good'.

(7)He understands perfectly well what he is doing and he sees the effects on you and in your relationship, and they are exactly what he wants to achieve. If he didn't want things this way he wouldn't do things this way. He is getting something out of the way he behaves -- he is intimidating you and keeping you in your place, making you mistrust your perceptions and fearful of leaving. The part where he is 'lucid' (although he is perfectly lucid all the time) and seems to go into confessional mood on steroids, threaten suicide, is why you must never, ever, consider going to joint counselling with him. He needs individual psychiatric attention. He is dangerous. He has a disordered personality at the very least.

(8)He has walled you in.

He has a personality disorder, either Borderline or Narcissism or I will eat my hat. This might be relevant for you. Do you see anything familiar?

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