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Please tell me how to deal with this - toxic mother's relationship with grandmother

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TequilaMockinBird · 02/09/2010 20:35

Ok so a few weeks ago I posted a thread about my mother and the lovely 'Pete' in regards to my wedding. Although I have distanced myself in those few weeks, I now have a different problem with them...

My grandmother (mum's mum) is nearly 80 and quite infirm. She cant go out on her own and as her other daughter (my aunt) lives in USA, she relys on mum and Pete to do things for her, take her to GP appointments etc.

Today I called in to see grandmother and my mum and Pete had been just before me. GM was really upset. I asked why and couldnt believe what she told me. I'll try to keep this as brief as possible.

Mum and Pete take GM food shopping once a week, they also take her to opticians, GP, hospital as required. For this, they charge her Shock half of her benefit every week - GM was unsure which benefit but may be Incapacity or DLA? - this amounts to about £90 a month and is for petrol, general wear and tear on the car etc Shock

Last week GM's washer/dryer broke down, mum and Pete took her to buy a new one. They made her buy the cheapest most basic washer in Currys. Told her she didnt need a dryer and could use a clothes horse or radiators. Now GM has always had a dryer and so is used to having one. She isnt short of a penny in any way so could easily have afforded a washer/dryer IYSWIM.

GM wants a new TV, she has one which is about 10 years old and works perfectly but it takes up too much space and she wants a new one with a flat screen which will fit into the alcove much better plus give her more space. Mum and Pete have said no, its a waste of money, the one she has works fine etc.

When they take her shopping they wont let her buy certain things. I.e. she cant buy coleslaw because it only comes in tubs which are too big for her alone to eat and so half will be wasted.

What they dont seem to understand is that it's her money and if she wants to waste it then why shouldnt she? She's saved all her life and now they wont let her spend it?!

I think (and call me cynical if you want!) that they dont want her to spend all her money and not leave anything to them when she does eventually die. They are very selfish and greedy and I honestly think this is the reason.

Now, I work full time and also have DD so cant do the GP, hospital, optician appointments or I would.

What do I do? I'm really quite shocked at what I heard today (although I dont put it past them at all!), but GM wont say anything to them because she relys on them to ferry her around and she doesnt have anyone else so doesnt want to upset them. She's also quite scared of them I think and does whatever they tell her! i could do the once a week shopping but that will upset them and they could then stop taking her to appointments.

Theres actually quite a bit more to this but I'll end typing war and peace if I carry on wGrin whilst also getting myself even more annoyed!

Help please!

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Portofino · 03/09/2010 19:39

Oh Tequila! Shock Sad!!

And she probably doesn't want to make a big fuss, I'll bet! You must be so worried AND pissed off!

TequilaMockinBird · 03/09/2010 19:44

No, she doesnt want any fuss, and she is scared to death of mum and Pete falling out with her - she thinks she will then be all alone. Hence, this is going to take time. It's going to be hard going but we will get there, bit by bit.

I'm determined that those 2 will not interfere or scare her anymore. I will make sure it stops.

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Portofino · 03/09/2010 19:54

Please phone Age Concern/UK or whatever they are no. This won't be the first time they have heard these stories and should be able to offer assistance, or at least practical advice!

I live a long way from my gps and if I had any thoughts that family members were abusing them in any way, well I would be fit for murder!

TequilaMockinBird · 03/09/2010 19:58

Yes I will phone Age UK, didnt get a chance today as work been so busy and was taxi-ing DD all over aswell!

I'll give them a call on Monday - do I ask to speak to anybody specifically ie a social worker? Or is there just a helpline number?

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CarGirl · 03/09/2010 21:50

That is just awful, your poor GM. Try ringing the Crossroads in your local area see if they can offer you any help.

pluperfect · 03/09/2010 23:43

So sad that she doesn't want "fuss", when it's making a fuss that will restore peace to her life.

I hope Age Concern/Age UK will offer some practical advice.

weegiemum · 03/09/2010 23:48

Had a chat to dh about this.

He said speak to SS even if your Mum has no social worker - they can intervene in many ways and your mother-type-person will never need to know it was you.

GP likely to be crap (from a GP!!) - as most urban GPs dont deal with these things - hand them on to ss - but if your grnadmother lives in a rural area with a "Dr FInlay" style GP (like my dh - he even has a tweed jacket!) then just call and tell them what the issue is.

He also says - be upfront with SS about the problems you have with your mother, so she can't use that against you ....

Eurostar · 04/09/2010 00:05

Oh this is so sad Tequila. The thought of your Gran jumping straight on the food as she is so hungry is heartbreaking. Sounds like your mother is actually starving her own mother to death to get at her inheritance :-( :-(

No new advice for you but just wanted to wish you the very best and hope that this situation can be made better for your Gran.

MadAboutQuavers · 04/09/2010 00:10

Tequila, this is terrible Sad

I can understand your GM not wanting any fuss, she just wants peace, quiet and an easy life at her age, bless her. If this was my mother doing this, I think I'd have her done over... Angry

Lucky GM to have you fighting her corner for her. Her trust that you've taken control from your shithead mother will build over time, I'm sure.

Portofino · 04/09/2010 00:27

Honestly it never ceases to amaze me that there are so many out there (in the civilised western world at least) who are so lacking in basic humanity!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/09/2010 07:45

Hi Tequila,

Their website (Age concern is now called Age UK)

www.ageuk.org.uk

Their helpline number is 0800 169 6565

Good luck. Your Nan is being subjected to elder abuse at the hands of the toxic twosome.

Let us know how you get on.

diddl · 04/09/2010 07:51

It´s absolutely awful.

And that bloody solicitor should be reported!

I´m assuming that you don´t have the time to step in & do what your mother is doing?

Can you convince her to take out a restraining order?

Is meals on wheels a possibility?

taintedpaint · 05/09/2010 14:59

Oh Tequila, just reading about your GM and the food you took her broke my heart. What a terrible situation. I don't have any practical advice I'm afraid, but I just wanted to say how lucky your GM is to have you. Smother her with love and care so she knows she's not alone :). Best of luck with everything, don't give up, keep this lovely lady away from your mother and that horrible man.

Thinking of you and your GM.

tb · 18/09/2010 14:47

Just a practical thought. I'm not sure if it's true or not, but in a Dick Francis novel there was a problem with a forced will, but the earlier one had been filed with the probate registry before.

The general point was, that if this has been done, it doesn't matter if the person is forced to write a later will, it's the earlier one that has been filed that is taken into account. So, it might be a good idea if she is to remake her will, and then to have a copy of it filed.

Tbh, it does sound if they are trying to get as much as possible for themselves, to the point of half-starving her. It would be interesting to see what was on the receipt for the shopping. Possibly half of it ended up in their fridge.

FWIW, my mother made my gf sign over property to her, so that when he died he had no estate. Interestingly, she complained about how much the solicitor charged to settle the estate - probably charged for silence. Over 40 years later, after many home made wills, she has gone back to the same solicitor. Think she used him when she used him to transfer the house into her name 100% from df's. Basically there are some solicitors who are as bent as a 'nine bob note'.

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