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Custody of the friends

22 replies

Confusalicious · 02/09/2010 09:38

Namechanger, just in case friend is an mner.

Right. H and I split up last december. He was deeply depressed and had become impossible to live with. I had to protect me and the children from his mood swings and ultimately emotional abuse of all of us.

A good friend of ours supported me through all this. She was great to talk to because I knew she knew h so well too and I didn't want to vilify him. He was an ill man who behaved terribly, and although it was his responsibility he is not a monster.

She knew what we went through and how it was affecting my own mh. After he got to me again in April she was there for me and comforted me while I sobbed and screamed. But I did one thing I do regret. H was staying in my home while I was away. He sent me an email saying he was going to go out drinking (not a good thing, doesn't drink because it brings out a nasty side in him) and wanted nothing more to do with me.

I panicked. He was in my home, he was going to bring his new friends (who I did not know) back there. I feared he would do something to my home. So I asked my friend to call him. She agreed. I wish I hadn't.

He assured her it was a couple of drinks with the lads and no one would come back. I told her he was lying. She felt uncomfortable as she could only go by what he had told her.

I called her the next day to apologise and say that I had thought things through and had calmed down (still with me?). She said all was fine and assured me that above all I was her friend, and that much as she loved h too her loyalty lay with me.

Of course h did get completely hammered and had his mates stay over and sleep in my bed, but that's by the by.

I didn't really hear from my friend for months. We don't live near each other. I sent her another long email apologising and thanking her for all her support. She sent a short one back not really saying anything.

Fast forward to a month ago. H and I are friends again and go to visit them (spur of the moment, happened to be in their area, a long way from where we live). Everything seems fine, and i begin to think i was panicking about nothing. We get very drunk and get onto the topic of what happened. I say I'm real sorry (again) for putting her in the middle like that, she says it felt very uncomfortable, I explain I was desperate but shouldn't have asked.

She then says that she's pleased me and h are getting on so well, but that given his illness she's decided that h needs her more than I do, and if things turn sour again I am strong enough to do it alone and they would stand by h. I was a bit Shock I said I would never ask her to choose, and she replies that she knows I wouldn't and she'll always be there for me if I need to talk, but that that is the decision they have made.

She then went to bed.

Next morning we left early. But she seemed to have no memory of what she said (very possible she was very drunk)

But I remember.

I want to point out that I have set up a very strong support network for h and his depression is now controlled completely through meds and counselling. He is not alone and has several friends he can now turn to for help as well as his gp etc.

She's one of my oldest and closest friends. And I feel gutted.

So, should I forget it? Should I pretend it never happened? Should I Talk to her about it?

H is mortified. He says as much as he loves her too he knows she has always been my support and that he has his own friends to talk to.

Please be gentle. I'm Not strong enough to hear that I'm whiney and she's just had enough of me. Although that is probably the truth.

I've been there for her too btw. It's not all one-sided, but it has been more about me lately. H put me through hell, he really did, and although I can forgive him (not get back together with him, but be friends) I find it hard to accept a friend who knew what I went through is declaring her loyalty to him instead of me.

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Confusalicious · 02/09/2010 09:39

Oh god, that's a lot longer than I meant it to be.

Long and boring. Sorry.

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oldenoughtowearpurple · 02/09/2010 10:03

It's not your choice, or anything you can do anything about. It's her decision. She's not a possession, she's a human being and has the right to do whatever she thinks is the right thing for her to do under the circumstances.

This is the way it is when you split up - you have to take the rough with the smooth I'm afraid.

I think her decision is quite justifiable: faced with a difficult decision she will help the person who most needs help.

Confusalicious · 02/09/2010 10:10

Oldenough I understand she is not a possession. I'm just feeling confused and a little betrayed.

To clarify she is contacting me more now and is behaving as before. However I feel as though everything has changed.

I'm very hurt by your response, but appreciate you replying.

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celticfairy101 · 02/09/2010 10:14

I agree with oldenough. While the breakup of my marriage came as a total shock, I would never expect our very good mutual friends to pick sides. They support me totally but believe stbex is a good man doing horrible things. He has stayed in their house since - their perogative and I respect that. I've always said to stbex that he should keep in contact with them because he'll regret it later.

Confusalicious · 02/09/2010 10:20

Celtic fairy I don't want her to choose. I have never asked her to. I have always encouraged her to stay in touch with h too. This is why I'm a little shocked that she has declared her decision I suppose. It wasn't asked for at all. I never wanted her to stop being friends with h. I never would.

It feels to me a bit like i've suffered three years of abuse, she knows all the details, has even confronted h about things at times ( off her own back) and he has admitted everything. And now, knowing everything, knowing how broken I was and how hard I have tried to keep the family sane, she haas decided that she's no longer on my side.

And that sounds childish even to me. But I struggled so long to even be believed (not by her) and it now feels like the person who knows most doesn't believe me anymore.

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TotalChaos · 02/09/2010 11:06

so it's a friend of yours from way back, who you knew first etc? I would be gutted, absolutely gutted. And also (knowing some of the background) I'ld be wondering if exh has been manipulating giving her a sob story. Ultimately - you have to be strong enough to believe in yourself without other's affirmation of what you went through.

Mouseface · 02/09/2010 11:12

OP - I can understand why you feel upset by this but IMO, I'd leave it. Maybe the fact that you were all as pissed as farts a bit drunk, allowed her to say what she did IYSWIM.

If the time came for her to 'choose' which one of you she'd support and it was your H, then that's up to her really. I doubt it would actually come to that. And, as celtic says, you shouldn't expect her to choose sides anyway.

I also doubt that she's 'no longer on your side', it just feels that way because of what she said, in a drunken moment, on one occasion.

Don't dwell on it.

Confusalicious · 02/09/2010 11:34

TC it is possible, but I know that now he is shocked that she would say this.

It's just such an odd position to be in "it's great that you're friends, and while you are we will continue as before, but if it all goes downhill I'm not there for you" is essentially the situation.

I almost feel that if I spoke to her about it she'd tell me it was all a mistake and that's not how it is at all, just something drunkenly mis-said.

I'm finding it hard being friends with someone who has placed a condition on our friendship.

It's all so odd.

And next time I will rethink a light hearted title. It clearly gives the wrong impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek.

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ThickyMcDullsville · 02/09/2010 11:36

I can only echo what others have said.

If she is one of your oldest friends, I can understand why you feel hurt, but you cannot do anything to change the way she feels.

It could be that it was just a drunken comment, no more than that.

It could be that H has been feeding her a sob story and that has influenced her decision.

Either way the most important thing that you need to do is build up your own support network so that god forbid you are in a position when you need that support, you are not so reliant on her.

TotalChaos · 02/09/2010 11:36

I think you are going to have to have it out with her, as it will prey on your mind even further.

Confusalicious · 02/09/2010 11:55

Thanks everyone. I know I can't change her mind, and I wouldn't want to try, I'm just shocked by it.

She was a big part of my support network :(. Ive struggled having moved around a lot for h's work over the years, and have three friends (all far away) who I consider my support. She being one of them. I guess I'm down to two. I know my gp is there for me when things get bad, but it's not the same.

Tc I don't know if I can. She has a right to choose. I'm not the one chosen. And even though this is not about the current situation, but is about a hypothetical future, I feel it's all different now. And that makes me sad. I miss her. I'll still see her (h and i try to take the dcs to visit as often as possible) and be there for her, but I don't feel I can reach out to her again.

H thinks I should talk to her. But what if In vino veritas?

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BrianAndHisBalls · 02/09/2010 12:39

i would be devastated confusa, really devastated. i would be very angry with her too, whether or not i had a right to be is neither here nor there, they are my feelings.

she obviously is not a possession but if she is obe of your oldest friends then of course you would expect some loyalty i suppose you could call it.

dont let this derail you. you know what happened, dont let what she has said make you doubt yourself, as Total said you need to believe in yoursef without anyone's affirmation.

if it was me i would have a chat with her, hopefully she can explain what she meant Smile

spikeycow · 02/09/2010 14:36

OK I'll be gentle. She wasn't the friend you thought she was. She saw you abused and is more concerned with your H's depression (which is no excuse by the way). You need to keep your pride and concentrate on your 2 remaining friends. I don't understand why you are saying you'd still be there for her etc. Don't put yourself out for her ever again. Life is too short for people who are fickle and disloyal like this. I know what emotional abuse is and if one of my friends supported my ex or excused him in any way I'd be disgusted

ginnny · 02/09/2010 23:08

Were you friends with her before you met your h? If so I don't blame you at all.
I've just been through a break up and all of my friends are 100% behind me.
If any of them weren't I'd feel betrayed and hurt.

atswimtwolengths · 02/09/2010 23:14

Is your friend single?

Confusalicious · 03/09/2010 09:19

No she's not single, Married for a long time. Aree you suggesting that she might actually have an interest in h? That's something that had not occurred to me at all...
Our friendshio is not pre-marriage (since we got married young and have been married fifteen years) but she was my friend first and got to know h through socialising with me , but we've all known each other about ten years. I'd describe my relationship with her dh as similar to hers with h and there would never be any question of me choosing him (as much as I value our friendship).

I do feel better about all this now. I can't change her decision, and won't try. I will still see her and her family but won't see her as a part of my support network anymore, since now an ultimatum lies over our friendship. I cant trust someone with my innermost thoughts if tomorrow they could turn away from me.

H finds the whole thing daft, and has said again that he has his own friends to talk to and although he values her friendship he finds it odd and doesn't want to confide in her.

I'm not going to talk to her about it at the moment, but may do so if things continue to be fine between h and me, and this all becomes a distance about a non-existent problem.

Although now the idea has been put in my head, is it possible she has feelings for h? Hmm. I don't think so, it had honestly never occurred to me.

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ginnny · 03/09/2010 12:50

So she's your friend and her loyalty should lie with you.
My best friend and I met literally weeks before she met her dh (18 years ago) and I am very close to them both (was bridesmaid at their wedding, godmother to their dc etc). Much as I love them both I would still be loyal to her over him if the worst happened, and they have both stayed loyal to me throughout my disastrous relationships.

SolidGoldBrass · 03/09/2010 14:02

I wonder if she hasn't just had enough of the whole business. There comes a point where even the kindest friend just can't put up with any more tearful phone calls and up-all-night referreeing.

Confusalicious · 03/09/2010 14:56

Sgb, could be. There was only one week were I called her daily. Always during the day when her dcs were at school. But i was very tearful. We have generally spoken about once every couple of months. I'm not very good at asking for help generally. She only spoke to h once (the night I talked about in my op) in six months.

Things have been me-focused of late, although I have been there for her as much as she would let me (insisted we talked about me and was basically a good friend while I was having a rough time)

I'm going to stop analysing this now, I've gained all I can from this thread I think.

Thanks for all the replies, they really have helped.

Right, back to being the real me.

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BlingLoving · 03/09/2010 15:07

Confusalicious, i have to jump in. You are completely justified to be hurt and upset by this comment. And if it was me, I'd see her as having already made a choice. I am not sure that I would be interested in remaining friends with her.

It's true she can choose, but so can you. And why would you choose to hang out with someone who has said that she believes your abusive H needs her more than you do when she has traditionally been your friend?

Miggsie · 03/09/2010 15:13

Sounds like your firend likes having friends she can "rescue" and she has "rescued" you and now you are no longer interesting for her, she wants to move on toyour DH who still needs to be "rescued". I ahd a firned who turned out to be like this. Very upsetting, but you have to accept they only want friends whom they can pity and "rescue" and once the person becomes a person in their own right, they totally lose interest.

Sorry this has happened to you. It is a shock, but some people are like that.

SolidGoldBrass · 03/09/2010 20:45

Hmm, MIggsie, very good point.

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