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When is the past the past? Parental trauma haunting us in the here and now

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TroubleHereAndNow · 27/08/2010 14:53

Nearly forty years ago my MIL was married to a violent and abusive man. She left the marriage after less than a year and returned to her parental home with her baby son, my DH.

Living in a small religious community she was made to feel a huge sense of shame and guilt about having left her marriage. So she has never really moved on - she has stayed single, raised her son in her parents home and has recently been a carer to her own, now aged, parents. A horrible, sad story. She is a very modest person who has lacked confidence and often allowed other family members to dominate her emotionally.

I have been with my DH for the best part of two decades and have always known this story. I have always been supportive of my MIL and tried in all sorts of ways to encourage her to become more confident, socialise, do volunteer work, be more assertive etc. We have a good relationship and last year I did much of the organisation for a landmark birthday party for her, while my DH was away on business.

However, there is also another aspect to it: much of the guilt and responsibility for her situation then transferred onto my DP. Growing up he was often made to feel guilty about the sacrifices she had made for him, feel pressure to do well, feel responisbility for her, and, once he became independent and moved away, pressure him to call her (often calling him several times a day)and visit her. So, although she is a very genuine and lovely person, she has got into something of a 'guilt trip' habit over the years.

Two recent incidents have brough this to a head:

Not long ago I was due to give birth to our first baby - I was about 39+2 and obviously feeling quite nervous about the impending birth. We were all chatting about it and then she began telling the story of how she gave birth alone in hospital and then ended up bursting into tears. I apologised for upsetting her and then thought no more about it. However, I found myself increasingly feeling that I had taken on some of the guilt for her bad birth experience and, even as I was going into hospital, feeling guilty that I had my DH with me and that I had family support - feeling guilty that I was probably going to have a good experience whereas her experience was awful. I felt bizarrely hostile to her after our baby was born, as though somehow I had had the baby for her, to make up for her bad experience. These wierd feelings passed, but a few months ago I realised that I was actually quite angry with her for telling this story so close to the time when I was due to give birth, when the focus should have been on me, the impending birth and our baby.

The second was that her employer had a social event for employees and their guests, about 3 hours drive from where we live. We thought about going but in the end said it was too far with our baby. She then sent an email saying that she would not go either as she 'would feel awkward if others were with her families and she would be there all alone'. I said that was putting unfair pressure on us and we sorted it out, but again I felt angry that I too was getting into this 'guilt' relationship.

So, last weekend we were having lunch together and I asked her a question about a piece of baby equipment that our baby was using at the time - what had been the equivalent when my DH was a baby? She gave the answer but then began going into how she had to leave her home with nothing and began to get upset.

After lunch I was talking to her and asked her if she had ever had counselling for what she had experienced, as it was all clearly still upsetting her. She had not and I told her about my own experiences of counselling (for bereavement and toxic parent issues). I also said that i was concerned that this awful thing that had happend to her (forty years ago) was now going to start spilling over to the next generation - her grandchild, who is soon going to start picking up on all this. I would never expect her to bottle it up, but on the other hand maybe counselling would help her to find a way of talking about that time period without getting upset. (I am summarising massively here, if what I am writing looks rather blunt on screen)

Now, here is where I made a huge mistake - I also mentioned that my DH had often felt guilty and responsible for her situation....

She wasn't upset by this conversation but my DH is hugely angry with me - feels that i have said the one thing he never wanted to say and that i have been extremely selfish. I have never really seen him quite as upset before. He hasn't spoken to me properly since last weekend and things are not looking good between us.

Was I wrong? What can I do with my feelings about all this? How can we move forward?

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JeanHunt · 27/08/2010 15:01

Bumping for you - I have no clue how to break the cycles of guilt and resentment in my own family.

One observation. In my grandmother's case, her griefs and bitterness seemed to resurface/gain strength in her old age, when we all thought it had settled down. Perhaps this is also happening with your MIL.

racmac · 27/08/2010 15:06

Well Im not sure what my advice is but youve said it now and it cant be undone.

Perhaps they need to talk openly to each other or with the assistance of a counsellor.

I would apologise to dh but at the end of the day its said and there isnothhing you can do to make that go away - you need to work together to sort it out

madonnawhore · 27/08/2010 15:53

Hmmmm, ime it's always advisable to steer clear of getting involved in the relationships between sons and their mothers as they're often incredibly complicated.

On the other hand, she obviously is still processing her grief and is reaching out to you. Maybe this will be the catalyst she needs to finally get some help and for him to deal with his mummuy issues.

sayithowitis · 27/08/2010 17:48

Actually, I feel very sorry for your MIL. She marries a man who turns out to be both violent and abusive
She has the courage to leave him at a time when marital breakdown was a huge stigma
She returns to her parents to bring up her baby
She is made to feel ashamed and guilty that her marriage to this violent man has broken down
She is not able to move on and ends up going from caring for her son to caring for her parents
She totally lacks confidence and has at times been emotionally bullied by members if her family.

And then you heap even more guilt on her by telling her that your DH feels guilty and responsible for her situation.

I understand that you wanted your pregnancy and birth to be about you,but it doesn't sound as though she told you about her experience to get 'one over' on you, I expect she was just sharing her experience with you, the way that my Mum and MIl did with me when I was due to give birth, the way so many women do when one of their circle is due. Unless there is something you haven't told us, I really do not see any justification for your anger towards her.

As for whether you did wrong by telling her about your husband, IMO, yes, you did. If he wanted her to know he felt like that, he would have told her. If he didn't tell her, and didn't ask you to tell her, then it was not your place to make that decision for him. If I tell my DH something about my relationship with my Mum, I do not expect him to pass that on. If he did, I would be extremely angry and very disappointed in him.

What can you do to resolve things? I honestly don't know. For me, it would be a betrayal of my trust and it would make me doubt whether I could confide in my DH again.

quiddity · 27/08/2010 18:01

His being angry doesn't have a lot to do with whether you were right or wrong to tell her.

Dysfunctional families have a dynamic that shames people into keeping the family's horrible secrets. It stops the family from having to deal with the issue.

So your DH would be horrified and upset that this part of the secret is out. Clearly he is affected by the family dynamic too.

But there's no good reason why he shouldn't have said that to his mother himself--then they might stand some chance of being able to sort it out, either between them or with help.

But sometimes families like that need an "outsider" to step in and cut through all the horrible old webs of unhealthy emotion. That's what you've started to do. I hope what you've done will help to clear the air.

I don't think you did anything wrong--and neither does your MIL. Good for you and her. I'm sorry he's angry and that he's giving you the cold shoulder. That's not a healthy way to handle a disagreement and it's another sign that he's caught up in his family's old way of handling relationships.

Good luck with working it out. You seem like a very nice and sensible and direct person and that can only be to the benefit of your family.

TroubleHereAndNow · 27/08/2010 22:23

Thanks for your views.

Sayithowitis - yes, I feel very sorry for her too for all those reasons. I have felt sorry and been supportive for nearly twenty years - but is there a point at which we begin to move forward?

quiddity- I appreciate your viewpoint. I think I was hoping to achieve something of a 'clearing' effect, but it seems to be backfiring at present.

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Eurostar · 27/08/2010 22:58

Sounds like your DH has grown up thinking it is vital to protect his Mum and wanting to keep her from harm. Your revelation has probably been extremely frightening for him, with him fearing that without his complete approval she will crumble.

The hope is she will not crumble now and will not retreat from your DH, in which case he should come to forgive you. Can she afford private therapy? Unless she is very lucky with what's available in her area, I shouldn't think short term NHS CBT will be adequate for her to work through things.

Kirlyovie · 28/08/2010 09:16

I think that you were trying to do a good thing but maybe not so sensitively to your dh. Could you stick to how you feel and how your MIL feels in future conversations (leave how your dh feels out of it) and see if you can help that way? Your MIL would might prefer talking to someone who is uninvolved in the situation - and you sound like a kind person.

I'd let your dh join in the conversation as he wants to rather than you talking for him. If your dh feels guilty about his mother's sacrifices, he will also feel resentful in some way - which it doesn't sound like he has come to terms with. Maybe you pushed him a bit too fast?

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