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Difficult relationships with ageing/frail parents....

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follyfoot · 24/08/2010 11:43

Sorry in advance, this might be very long.

I have a complex relationship with my Mum. I was close to my Dad who died many years ago, but never felt the same towards my Mum which seems soooooo sad Sad

Whats prompted this post is her health. She is unwell and I suspect there is something serious going on. Am trying to support her and listen to her concerns, but I really dont know how I should be feeling apart from the way I do, which is permanently gut wrenchingly guilty.

Many childhood memories arent particularly good. As a child I was sent to nursery very young for what seemed like ages every day. I hated it and driving by even now sets my heart racing (am quite sane really I promise!). I always felt like I was a bad child, although actually I dont think I was, I was pretty timid, did well at schol and well behaved. Suppose I was smacked the same as other children, but I was also threatened with being 'sent away' when I was very 'naughty'. In fact I vividly remember my Mum walking me to the postbox to post the letter to the people who would take me away - into care I think the threat was. My dad happened to drive by and they didnt post the letter ( I guess looking back there wasnt actually anything in the envelope, it was just to scare me). I would have been 7 or 8 I think.

My Mum boasts to this day about how brave I was when I was ill as a very small child; about how I would get up on my own, be sick or whatever, then go back to bed and only tell her in the morning. Apparently I would only have been 3 or 4. That doesnt seem to be something to boast about to me, I'd have been devastated if my DD hadnt felt able to call me if she was ill in the night at that age.

Anyway, there are lots more examples I could give but those are the ones that stand out. In adulthood, I got married to a man who turned out to be awful. There was serious DV, our home was destroyed by fire (his arson) and again the care/love just wasnt there. My DD and I had to stay with her (my dad had died by this time). She told me that she didnt want us there and that we probably didnt want to be there either, but we were otherwise homeless. I needed urgent surgery for my injuries from DV (involving a week in hospital post op), but the surgery had to be delayed as she had booked, and went on a holiday for 2 weeks so I couldnt go into hospital as there was no-one to care for DD. It was during this time that she said probably the worst thing she has ever said to me. She was criticising me for something I did as a child and I said 'you never say anything positive about me as a child'. Her response: 'there's nothing positive to say'.

There was no help forthcoming when we eventually did find a home - a friend let us use one she had bought to rent out. Despite being financially very secure, the only thing she gave us (bearing in mind we had lost everything) was a second hand cutlery set she wasnt using. Friends were so kind with their time, their love and gifts it kind of highlighted the difference somehow.

Anyway, fast forward to now and I'm now married to a lovely man and very happy. She is now elderly and as I say, I suspect she has an underlying health condition which may mean she isnt around much longer. I feel desperately guilty for the relationship we dont have, the feelings I dont feel, and the lack of desire to spend lots of time with her. Should I try to be with her more, especially as time may be limited? Can I repair things at all? Should I even try?

We rarely visit, I am ashamed to admit, but when she has been ill before we did try to go to see her most days (she lives about an hour away). I suppose one thing I've held back from saying is that I think I'll feel really guilty when she's no longer around.

Anyone any advice, or been in a similar situation? Thank you x

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mckenzie · 24/08/2010 16:15

hi follyfoot, I wish that I had something profound and helpful to say to you but I don't, not at the moment anyway. But i do have two DCs and a DH at home right now so concentrating on anything but them is difficult Smile.

I wanted to post though so that you don't feel like you are being ignored and also so that i will have the message in my 'I'm on' section and I can come back to you later. I still might not have anything profound or helpful to say but I do really feel for you. Have you ever articulated any of these feelings to anyone before?

pippop1 · 24/08/2010 16:32

If there is no one else that is interested in her (friends, other family members)I feel it would be right to ensure that she has official carers popping in etc. Other than that she, sadly, doesn't sound as if she was kind to you.

Do your duty but don't get hurt anymore. You don't have to love her.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/08/2010 17:14

Many adult children of a toxic parent/s (do you feel that your Dad tried to protect you from the worst of her excesses or was he actually a bystander in this dysfunction?) are trapped in the FOG as adults - fear, obligation, guilt. You honestly do not have to feel guilty; you were a child and she failed to parent you with love and affection.

It is NOT your fault this has all happened and you did not make her this way. She chose to act like it probably because her own childhood was crap but that is no excuse or justification for how she treated you. Your mother let you down abjectedly as a child and also as an adult and as such you honestly have no obligation to her even though she is now old.

You would not put up with it from a friend, parents are truly no different in that regard. She has never made a true and heartfelt apology to you has she?. These poeple never accept responsibility for their actions.

I would consider counselling to discuss all this with an impartial observer (BACP have a list of counsellors. Remember though that counsellors are like shoes and you need someone who fits), look at and post on the most recent Stately Homes thread on these and read "Toxic Parents" written by Susan Forward.

Aminata100 · 24/08/2010 17:15

She let you down very badly when you were a child when she was supposed to take care of you, she was cruel actually, a toxic parent indeed! In fact, she has still not let it go if she is still criticising you now as an adult.

I'm not surprised in the least you feel no desire to see her now, and I don't think you should feel guilty about it, do no more than what is absolutely necessary.

Your daughter must also have felt it if she lived a time in her house, so I think you are helping her too, to see that this is a dysfunctional relationship by having the least amount of contact possible. You are showing her you don't have to put up with poor behaviour towards yourself from others!

You sound a great mum by the way!

quiddity · 24/08/2010 20:56

I don't have any answers either, follyfoot, only sympathy-- I'm in the same position.

You are more generous than I am, though--as well as the guilt and obligation (not sure about the fear) I also feel a huge resentment. When I was dependent on my mother for love and guidance I didn't get any, and her treatment of me has blighted my life.

Now I'm expected to take care of her. She e-mails me to say "I need cheering up" as though it's my job to fulfil her emotional needs. It fills me with this huge rage which seems disproportionate, but it's left over from all the years when I wasn't allowed to express any feelings or needs.

If I don't respond then I am just "proving" what my family have always said about my being weird and unnatural and hard-hearted. It seems to be a no-win situation.

PotPourri · 24/08/2010 21:04

So sad for you. She took your childhood away. She has not been there for you ever. You hsvr no real reason to be there for her. Get some counselling to get youirr thoughts and feelings in order. And remember that you are not responsible for her and you dont need to love her.

btw you have turned out fine - good for you. Keep loving your daughter and learn from your mum how NOT to do it

follyfoot · 24/08/2010 23:53

Thanks everyone for the lovely messages. I dont think she has the faintest idea of how she has made me feel over the years so cant see an apology coming but am fine with that. The little digs about childhood still continue: on holiday recently I did something that I've wanted to to do for years (dont want to go into detail in case it makes me identifiable, but it was something that involved great height, a bit of courage and probably a bit of madness! She said to me 'I was telling my friend what you did and how I couldnt believe it as you didnt even dare use a phone when you were a child'. Might sound like nothing, but its kind of undermining something I am a bit proud of by making me out to have been hopeless in the past Sad.

Reading the posts, the weight of guilt does feel a bit lighter tonight, so thank you all for that. Not sure about counselling, my best friend (from primary school) and I talk about whats happened as she has seen some of it at first hand. Thats been helpful as she has reassured me that there's a reason for my ambivalence towards my Mum, and its not just me being bad. Your responses have really helped reinforce that message. And I'll have a look at the other thread and toxic parents info.

Shall do what I feel able to do to help her, but work on learning that I dont need to do any more than that.

Thanks again and all the best with your problems Quiddity.

PS Attila you've got me thinking about my Dad and his role in all this......

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 25/08/2010 07:35

follyfoot

Am very glad you have your best friend to talk to and she can validate your experiences but would still consider counselling with a neutral third party too. It may be beneficial to you.

Your mum likely does not have the faintest idea of what she has done to you (common this with toxic parents) so no apology will be forthcoming. Such people never accept responsibility for their actions and are more than ready to blame others for their own failings. Your mum may have herself had a childhood where her own parents mentally abused her (do you know anything about her own childhood?) but this is NO justification or excuse for her actions towards you as a child or nowadays.

I mentioned your Dad only because a lot of men in dysfunctional families tend to act as bystanders to the whole situation in front of them. They act for their own self preservation and want of a quiet life. I hope your Dad managed to protect you as a child from your Mum's worst excesses of behaviours. If he did not manage this then he let you down as well:(.

Do read the other thread and the book recommended.

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