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Help ... second opinion needed on ex taking ds away!

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bodiddly · 06/08/2010 21:32

Sorry this could be a bit long! My ex and I split up about 2 months ago now and are living in the same house for the time being. We had agreed that he would take a week off work (he is self employed) to have ds for one week in the summer holidays and that I would take off a couple of weeks. He promised ds (who is 5) that he would take him camping as he has never been. He is now saying that he wants to take him to Ibiza for 5 days. I fully appreicate that he is entitled to take him away for a holiday and would not look to stop him but I do have major concerns. He has NEVER had him for more than a few hours on his own. If he ever has him he gravitates towards family .. taking him round there so he isnt looking after him alone. I have only ever spent one night away from ds and he hasn't slept away from home without me. I admit I am a bit of a control freak but I don't have a problem with him having him per se but I do panic at the thought of him being so far away from home as a first time away. I cannot imagine my ex doing the day to day things I do .. like remember to put suntan lotion on him, stay out of sun at hottest time of day, put him to bed at a reasonable time (obviously way later than usual as he would be on holiday), keep an eye on him the whole time he is by a pool etc rather than being distracted by his phone/on facebook. I appreciate he has to learn at some point but surely building up by days out and a night or two away in the UK would be preferable. That way if anything happened they are hours away rather than a flight!

I know I probably sound unreasonable but he had ds for 4 hours on saturday morning and came back saying "i dont know how i am going to cope with him on my own he is a nightmare and everything has to be about him 24/7". This is totally unfair as ds is actually quite good but if you expect him to drive around in a van going from job to job with his dad he isnt going to be particularly happy! My ex has never learnt the whole art of "distraction" thing or seen the need to take reading/drawing stuff along for restaurants etc as he expects him to fit in around him more often than not. I can see him getting on a plane with no toys/dvds etc and expect him to behave. The truth is that he knows ds wants to go camping and has said he would like to go for 3 days but ex wants to go abroad! I appreciate he has to work out for himself how to deal with him but I dont want ds to have to be the butt of the problems that will come with it as he does. Ds does not know we have split as such but it is becoming more apparent as his dad is around less and less and subsequently is becoming more clingy with me!

I guess what I am asking is whether you think I am being neurotic and unreasonable ... rl friends all think it is madness for him to take him abroad so soon.

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mablemurple · 06/08/2010 22:50

I can understand your concerns op, but it is a steep learning curve when anyone goes abroad with their dcs for the first time. Can you not discuss with your ex in a non-judgemental way things like the importance of sunscreen etc. Your ds is old enough to be involved in these discussions too. He won't be affected long term if his dad forgets to take toys or comics on the plane journey or out to restaurants and he (ex) would soon remember to take them the next time!
I think you need to be approaching it with your ds from a 'this is going to be a fantastic adventure with just you and your dad' point of view and really talk it up. It sounds like a great opportunity for both of them and also for you - what are you going to do with your free time Grin?

bodiddly · 06/08/2010 22:51

Ds thinks he is going camping .. for 3 days which is what he wants to do. Im sure he will like the idea in theory but he got upset going off the other day for a few hours. It is important that they spend some time together as they arent seeing as much of each other day to day and ds is turning to me more as a result. Its tricky as I encourage dp to have him more and have told him when ds has made comments about not seeing him so he understands how he is feeling - but he is in denial about it and thinks its me trying to guilt him.

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CarGirl · 06/08/2010 22:54

Definately be positive about it, and definately make a point of the important things he needs to remember - like the suncream, like taking stuff to entertain him etc.

If you're up beat and positive with ds and ex hopefully your ds will be happy to go and your ex may listen/ask advice on things more than he would do otherwise.

bodiddly · 06/08/2010 22:55

mablemurple i understand what you are saying about the whole toys/restaurant stuff but its not so much the idea of ds getting bored that concerns me but ex's temper and reaction to the bored child. I guess you are all right though I just have to let them go through it. I would of course talk it up with ds about what a fantastic time he will have ... I would never do otherwise. I am determined we will be amicable and civil in every way for ds' sake. These things are always hard though arent they especially when things are still raw. As I said it has only been a couple of months!

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bodiddly · 06/08/2010 22:56

right well im off to bed ... no point stressing further. What will be, will be I guess! Thank you all for your views!

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mablemurple · 06/08/2010 23:01

But why does he think he is going camping - has no-one talked to him about the change in plan? I know it must be difficult if your ds is becoming clingy, but he will be going with his father - someone who loves him as much as you do. He may well be a bit upset when he first leaves you, but I am sure that will pass quickly and he will have a blast with his dad. I think he may be sensing your reluctance and becoming unsettled as a result.

(Forgot to say in my previous post, it's worth investing in a UV top and shorts from Lion in the Sun to further protect him from sunburn).

bodiddly · 06/08/2010 23:12

He still thinks he is going camping because his dad hasn't told him about Ibiza. He told him about turkey and then changed his plans. I'm not mentioning it at all at mo until he has booked whatever he ends up booking to be honest. He can't be picking up any reluctance from me as it hasn't been discussed by me in front of him. I'm also constantly talking up his dad to him and encouraging him. I would never dream of saying anything averse to him at all. I actively want him to be with his dad and be as close to him as possible.

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CarGirl · 06/08/2010 23:13

Perhaps your ex with dither so much he won't get around to booking anything in time - I know a lot of people rave about the isle of wight for dc?

bodiddly · 06/08/2010 23:21

I can see why he wants to go abroad when it's not far off the cost of a holiday in the uk but hand on heart if he had concerns about me taking him etc I would seriously take them in to account. With any luck cargirl his dithering will prevail but then he will prob end up somewhere worse in 40degree heat where he needs jabs lol! I'm sure all will be fine but I will be panicking big time between now and then!

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CarGirl · 06/08/2010 23:23

deep breaths and all that!

bodiddly · 06/08/2010 23:25

Thanks cargirl! How are your family?

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CarGirl · 06/08/2010 23:26

It's been up and down, new cats are lovely though - although one has just thrown up, the other was fighting and had to be tricked to coming in by opening a pouch of wet food (bedtime treat for them).

They're all at school and I'm going back to work full time end of August - bit worried about having a breakdown tbh!

bodiddly · 06/08/2010 23:28

Fantastic that they are all at school now! You looking forward to going back to work or is that the breakdown worry? Oooh new cats? What kind?

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CarGirl · 06/08/2010 23:31

2 more somalis, brother and sister very soppy. girl is a little too attached to me, acts a bit like a moutain goat at times - sort of stands on me whilst I go to the loo, get dressed etc etc etc

Boy cat is currently doing his floppy leaning thing whilst washing his tummy in the hope that the cute look will get him put to bed!

Thanks to school fees and tax credits we'll be a whole £85 per week better off by me working and £40 of that will have to go on mmortgage payments or pay even more to school Confused

bodiddly · 06/08/2010 23:36

Oh no that sounds like a lot of work for not much gain. Could you not raise the same amount by taking you car boots and eBay etc more seriously perhaps?

Cats sound lovely! I have ended up with 3 now somewhat against my will but they are all lovely but more mouths to feed when money is tight!

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CarGirl · 06/08/2010 23:41

I hope to go part time, it was a bit now or never as my career break was about to expire and dh's job is not secure (despite the fact we'll be in the same dept & office!). It's less than a mile away, flexi time, 30 days holidays, pension and if the government carries on axing ctc etc in the future we could have been stuffed.

I keep telling the cats they are not allowed to get ill as we can't afford it! They're only 2.5 so a longer commitment than I would have liked but their owner was going abroad, plus as the last somali we rehomed got ran down I didn't want to kick up a fuss with the welfare lady Blush

bodiddly · 06/08/2010 23:46

The job sounds good in that case. Flexible, no commute and long holidays ... When can I start? Will be hard on you with the girls though ... V tiring! You are bound to enjoy it when you get back though.

Am off to bed now, nice to catch up. I'm still same name on msn or under my name on facebook if you ever fancy chatting.

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CarGirl · 06/08/2010 23:51

same to you, if you need to chat Im always on line Blush

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