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Maintaining a relationship with siblings for the sake of the DC's and only for the sake of the DC's....

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ABitTipsy · 01/08/2010 16:57

....is it possible and advisable and if so how is it done?

I grew up in an abusive and dysfunctional family and as a result have cut ties with my parents with no regrets. I currently have little contact with my sisters, but intend to try and re-establish some sort of relationship in the future purely for the sake of my DC's, so they can have a relationship with their aunts/uncles and cousins.

The trouble is I just can't imagine a completely fake and superficial relationship with my sisters and that is what it would be on my part at least as I have little time or respect for them as they are very much following in my parents' footsteps in terms of how they treat me.

But I do want to overcome this issue as I do want my DC's to at least have the opportunity to get to know their extended family.

Is anybody in this situation? Can you tell me how you handled it?

My sisters are not exactly overtly nasty to me, they are just very self centred, thoughtless and inconsiderate towards me and my feelings, (why would I want to put my DC's in the radius of such people ) but I don't want my issues with them to stand in the way of my DC's potential relationship with them.

As things stand at the moment, I have deliberately distanced myself from them recently but they are starting their own families now and I feel I ought to establish some sort of contact for the sake of the DC's. I am even considering telling them that even though it is clear we don't really get on, we should try and be civil and see each other a bit, purely for the sake of all our DC's who are all still very young.

Sorry for the length of post, didn't intend to drone on for so long!

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ABitTipsy · 01/08/2010 17:02

I feel fairly certain that my sisters also would like their DC's to get to know my DC's and so might be willing to maintain a superficial relationship with me just for the sake of the DC's.

I am just dreading the thought of putting it all into practise. It all sounds doable in theory, but in practise, the thought of them in my house and having to talk to them, the coldness and awkwardness of it all......just don't think my theory would work in practise. Has anybody been able to make it work?

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thumbwitch · 01/08/2010 17:10

Don't exactly know, tbh - my bro has pretty much distanced himself from the rest of the family except that he brings his 2 DC to the occasional family thing - so my Dad and my sis get to see them about 3 or 4 times a year. I can't stand my bro, the feeling is mutual - my sis doesn't like him either (and that's also mutual) but it's less intense so she does manage to cope with him for the sake of their DC (she has 3). But only at the DC's birthday parties, or other family member parties, generally - as that's usually the main times he'll bring them down.

I have never bothered - my Dad wants me to because my DS and his DS are the only 2 boys oof that generation - but as my bro refuses to facilitate anything or respond to overtures, I've told Dad it's not going to happen until the boys are old enough to work something out for themselves, if they're that bothered.

So - on the principle of the above - only have them around for larger functions so that they are diluted. My sis finds she barely needs to talk to my bro at all but the DC can get on with playing with each other - if he's down over a weekend, she might seem him again outside of a party but they don't really chat, just ignore each other and focus on other things.

seashore · 01/08/2010 17:22

It may be more grief than it's worth, and these things do pass on down the line by example and influence, I have a similar situation with my lot and I have decided I am just keeping my distance, I tried to make things work but it didn't and I don't want my dc to pick up bullying habits. I would just focus on your own family.

PrettyCandles · 01/08/2010 17:31

It's a very difficult situation.

Children are sensitive to the undertones of relationships, even if they can't put their finger on what exactly is wrong.

On the surface, my parents treated both sets of grandparents the same, but we had a far closer relationship with my mum's parents than with my dad's. It was only when I was an adult, and we were dealing with my dad's mother's dementia (his father had died some years earlier), that my mother told me that they hadn't wanted my father to marry my mother, and that my grandmother had once introduced to my mother to another woman, saying "This is the woman I wanted my son to marry."

As far as I was ever aware, my mother had treated her ILs with respect and kindness, and she had never let slip any indication of there being anything wrong in the relationship. TBH, I would have like to know that there were tensions and resentments a lot earlier, as I used to feel very guilty that I didn't love both sets of GPs equaly.

So you see, I don't think you can have a dishonest relationship, even with the best intentions.

OTOH, I also think that family are precious, and what you want to achieve is incredibly worthwhile.

I don't think that discussing you and your sibs' relationships, and trying to get them to agree 'for the sake of the children' is going to work. I suspect it would just get their backs up. I think I would start by inviting them to family events, birthdays, BBQs with other families, etc. If the various sets of children want to be together, then that will be a very good starting-point. If you start with you and them, one family to one family, then there are too many opportunities for disagreement, and, as you say, you may have to sit and make conversation in an uncomfortable situation.

ABitTipsy · 01/08/2010 17:36

Thank you thumbwitch and seashore.

Having my sisters around only around for larger functions is a very good idea and one I hadn't really thought of. I was imagining one to one family time which would have been very difficult.

The trouble is we haven't had a 'falling out' as such, just a distancing on my part ie not responding or replying to contact from them so that they have given up trying now.

Seashore, I think you may be right, but I don't want to rule it out til I have at least given it a go.

Seeing them only 2-3 times a year sounds ok and I would have to make sure I only saw one sister at a time as when they're together they're worse than usual, they seem to feed off each other and egg each other on, not nice. Their DH's are not particularly nice either so I am wondering why I am bothering I suppose.

I just don't want my DC's to grow up and find out they have close family who they have known nothing about for years and resent me for not at least giving them an opportunity to get to know them.

I am prepared for the situation where my DC's grow up and ask about my parents and why they never see them (they are child abusers end of story) but with my sisters it's not so cut and dried.

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ABitTipsy · 01/08/2010 17:41

Prettycandles thank for articulating what I have been thinking but been unable to describe.

I am sure my DC's will immediately pick up on hidden tensions if I try and meet with my sisters on a fake and superficial basis. And this will tarnish any relationship they may try and develop with their aunts/uncles/cousins.

It would be impossible for me to explain to my DC's at this point in time why there are tensions between me and my sisters as they are only 4 and 6. But I will bear in mind what you have said about your experience and if we do manage to create some sort of relationship I will tell my DC's a bit of our family history so they can understand the tension they will no doubt be aware of.

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ABitTipsy · 01/08/2010 17:49

Prettycandles, again I think you may be right, about not discussing things with my sisters. Perhaps,, when I feel ready, I will invite them to DC's birthday parties etc and just see how it goes from there.

But some sort of discussion will have to take place as I have basically been ignoring them without giving a reason. Although to any normal person the reason would be pretty obvious, but to my thick skinned, selfish, thoughtless and possibly narcisstic sisters, the reason will not be obvious. So I think I will have to give some reason as to why I have suddenly got in touch and after months of ignoring them.

I think I have to be very sure in my own mind about feeling ready to let them back into my life. They will not have changed I'm sure and so I will be knowingly putting myself on the line for some hurtful and insensetive behaviour and comments coming my way from them. Is it worth it for the sake of the DC's? I really don't know

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thumbwitch · 01/08/2010 23:16

only you can make that decision as to whether or not it is worth it, ABitTipsy.
I don't know how you'd go inviting them one at a time to parties - probably better to not give them any excuse to have a go.

seashore · 01/08/2010 23:37

Well, at least you will know you tried as best possible if you do decide to get in touch with them. In my situation as I hit 40 I just couldn't put up certain relentless behaviour from my sister anymore and I got tired of making excuses for her. I ran out of patience, like you, I tried extra hard once I had a baby. It didn't work though.

I think you are right about having to be very sure in your own mind about it, that way you will have a better hope of navigating the situation. It's just such a pity some people have to be so difficult and demand so much thought though, isn't it?

PrettyCandles · 01/08/2010 23:57

I don't think you have to explain anything. A birthday party is a good enough reason for getting in touch. If your sisters are as self-centred as you say, they probably will not even notice that you havd Bern avoiding them. Talking about it wil only give them something to feel agrieved about, and then you will feel attacked and obliged to justify yourself - which you don't want.

PrettyCandles · 01/08/2010 23:58

Sorry, iPhone annoyingly decides that been should be Bern. Doh!

ABitTipsy · 02/08/2010 00:25

thumbwitch, yes it would probably cause more problems inviting only one to parties. But they have done that to me ie have had a party and one sister invited the other but not me! So I am perfectly within my rights to do the same to them. Trouble is don't know which sister I would want to invite as I dislike them both equally!

Prettycandles, yes actually you are probably right again, I doubt if they have even noticed or are even bothered that they haven't heard from me. They certainly haven't contacted me to say they haven't heard anything from me for a while, am I ok? ie to check I am not lying dead in a ditch somewhere or seriously ill in hospital or something.

The more I think about it, the more I think it may very well be a long time before I decide to let them back into my life.

seashore, yes it is a pity that some people require so much thought as you say. So have you cut all ties with your sister? Does she have DC's? It's only for the DC's that I am even considering it, if there were no DC's, I would quite happily and easily never set eyes on them ever again.

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thumbwitch · 02/08/2010 04:30

well the next question is - do you know their DC? Are they nice DC? I am not at all bothered about my DS not knowing my bro's DD as she is has quite a nasty streak (takes after her mum, if you ask me) and she is mean to my sis's DDs. The only slight sadness I have is my nephew - he seems all right and they are the only 2 boys, so it would be nicer if they could know each other - but then again, he might grow up like my brother and I wouldn't want to inflict that on DS for anything!

So - bear in mind that your DSis' DC might not be that pleasant to know themselves - and it might help you with your decision.

Another thing - my DH has cousins in England and America. He's never met the American ones, and of the English ones, he only knows the bloke nearest in age to him, and that despite having only really met him twice while growing up. They are good mates now though - so don't worry - not seeing their cousins when growing up won't necessarily stop them having a relationship with them later.

HTH

seashore · 02/08/2010 23:24

ABitTipsy, yes I have chosen to cut things with my sister, she has always bullied me, she's v difficult, selfish constant mind games sort of person. She has young children and there is a dysfunctional dynamic within her family that I have no urge to have around my dc. I found this v hard but I have to keep my eye on the ball because depression is something that has been handed through my family. I don't want this for my dc. I want them to be around positive, calm well balanced people, sadly although my sister wishes she was different she just can't change.

So I have the opposite situation to you in a way, in that if I hadn't had dc, I would still be putting up with my sis, it's exactly because I have dc that I have drawn the line. It's but I really tried with the situation.

ABitTipsy · 03/08/2010 17:55

thumbwitch, my sisters' DC's are only 2 and nearly 1, with another one due in December,so far too young to tell if they are going to be nice or not. I do hope that if my DC's do not have much of a relationship with these cousins as children it won't stop them having one as adults.

seashore, yes my sister has also bullied me and the other one went along with her but was rarely the instigator (sp). The few times they have been to my house was not nice. On one occasion BIL was completely taking the pis out of DD, who was only 6 at the time so luckily most of it went over her head but I could tell she was confused by BIL's behaviour. They had come over during the summer hols and DD's school report came to their attention (it must have been sitting on my laptop or something and they spotted it and wanted to read it) and my sister read it out whilst BIL made sarcastic and derogatory comments about the contents of the report. I think he was trying to be funny but I don't know who he thought would laugh, me and DH certainly wouldn't laugh at DD along with BIL and DD herself just found it confusing as she had only had praise and encouragement from whoever had seen her report ie me, DH and DH's parents. At time I put it down to the fact that at that time BIL and sister had not had DC's so probably had no idea as to what children find funny. But afterwards I thought that was letting them off the hook too lightly, I think most people, even those who haven't had children, would know better than to take the pis out of a 5 year old child's school report in front of the child and her parents. We have seen BIL and sister since then, not just due to the school report incident, but loads of other stuff that I simply have no patience with anymore.

Wrt my other sister, she has got one DD (age 2), and when we met up with her and her DH, again when DD was around 6, BIL asked DD if she remembered their DD from the last time they had met and without waiting for DD to reply, told her in a nasty way, that his DD didn't remember her, as if my DD was not special enough to be remembered by his DD or something.

Again we haven't seen them since then either, also not just due to that incident, but loads of other stuff that I have had enough of.

One sister and BIL are 'money mad', everything revolves around making money, making sure they always get tbe best deal possible on anything they buy even if it involves screwing over the other person (please excuse my language, couldn't think of a better word!) and the ways in which they make money whilst not illegal, I find highly unethical and exploitative. And on top of that, BIL's family are actually extremely wealthy, millionaires, and yet, it has never occurred to him or my sister that they could do so much good with their money ie setting up a charity or suchlike. DH and I have far, far less than they do, but we give to charity every month, it's only a tiny amount, but it's important to us as are the charities we support.

I can see that as we have grown up and got married, the differences between me and my sisters have become very apparent, including down to the type of man we married. The other sister is not married to a rich man or family, but her DH seems to do things very much for the status and admiration he will get as a result.

Anyway, both my sisters and their DH's are very different from me and DH, in quite fundamental ways and that's another reason why a close relationship is going to be pretty impossible, and that's without even factoring in all the bullying and ganging up and nastiness I experienced from childhood into adulthood with both my sisters.

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trainsetter · 03/08/2010 17:57

I wouldn't do this.

I have no contact with any family member. My kids are fine. They never really ask and sometimes kids are better off without someone than having them when they are not 100% good for them. IMO.

ABitTipsy · 03/08/2010 18:54

trainsetter, thanks for posting. So do your DC's have cousins/aunts/uncles they have never met?

I grew up with lots and lots of cousins and extended family and I loved it, we were all of a similar age and got on really well and spent all our holidays at each other's houses etc. I guess I would like the same for my DC@s. But my parents got on with their siblings which is why I spent so much time with my cousins. My dad fell out with his siblings when I was 10 and all of a sudden I lost contact with his side of the family which was a shame as I had some nice cousins on his side.

I don't really see any of my cousins now, not because we don't get on, just because we are all so busy and live miles away from each other.

I think for the time being I am going to stay away from my sisters. Their DC's are so young, I'm not sure if my DC's who are 6 and 4 would be able to play with them anyway.

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trainsetter · 03/08/2010 19:10

Yes, they do.

seashore · 03/08/2010 20:16

That school report instant sound so exactly like my sister's antics, everything is always put downs, backhanded comments all in a horrible showy manner, I think it is the mark of someone being extremely insecure, but when there is children involved it's hard to explain this,and it doesn't matter anyway because it still hurts. We had a visit from her when my dd was quite young, it was so horrible I just could never repeat it. So much of what she was about was with the aim of trying to bully my dd. I just can't allow her bully her way through the next generation.It was clear that her dc are already picking up her ways and since they are older than my dc it would again just lead to bullying.

My dd already has cousins from dh's side, in the future I intend to explain about the bullying and why I stay away from my sis,what can you do? Some people just spread unhappiness, I always think about my sis, I am an adult and I can't deal with her, how is a child meant to? It's just best to remain distant. I think there can be awful pressures for people to put up with extended family no matter how destructive they are or have been in the past. Whereas the problem is people don't often change and the past directly informs who we are today.

Sorry about the long post, hth somehow

thumbwitch · 04/08/2010 00:43

I think you have just nailed the lid shut on the coffin of your relationship with your sisters, Tipsy. Anyone who thinks it's ok to take the piss out of small children, however much you don't like their parents, is not worth knowing.

I don't like my brother (as I said) - I have next to no relationship with his DC - but I would never consider taking the piss out of them!! What vile people. Give it up completely, you don't want your DC exposed to that kind of stupidity and sociopathic behaviour - and tbh if they indulge in it with their own DC, their DC are likely to grow up doing it as well.

ABitTipsy · 04/08/2010 18:06

seashore and thumbwitch, thank you for your posts.

Seashore, yes, there is nothing else one can do but explain somehow why you/we do not have any contact with our sisters. It makes me so sad though that it has to be this way . It is very confusing because this sister can and has been at times nice and quite caring towards me. But she is weak and her DH is very dominating and even though she probably knew the school report thing was wrong, she was too weak to tell her DH to watch his behaviour. I just know with my DH, even before we had DC's, that never in a million years would he have behaved in such a way. I suppose it says a lot about my sister that she was willing to marry somebody like her DH as I certainly couldn't have. And same goes for my other sister, the type of man she married speaks volumes about who she is.

Thanks so much for your input, it has helped a lot.

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