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Abuse in a relationship...can a person change?

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Elmtree1Ems · 30/07/2010 21:58

Do you think it is possible for an abusive person to make a change in their behaviour?

Doyou think it is possible that they can be a combination of lovely, wonderful etc and emotional manipulative and abusive and for these to not be conscious efforts? For example can a man genuinley love and care for his partner, yet still emotionally manipulate her?

What if he does not know he is doing it?

or are they always aware?

Are abusers really that cold and calculated that they can be so warm and loving and then cold and frightening...and that BOTH sides are pre-planned and pre-meditated?

Isn't that sort of behaviour sociopathic? And arent 'true' sociopaths really rare?

Do you think that abusive men always set out to abuse and if not can they change?

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jaffacake2 · 30/07/2010 22:06

If this is about yourself then I would look carefully at what is happening in your relationship. Is abuse happening?

If this is a theoretical discussion I would look on the statistics on womens aid website.Men are unlikely to change from an abuser to a nonabuser and thats where the big risk lies for women who think that they will be able to alter the situation.

thisishowifeel · 30/07/2010 22:18

I ask this question too many times per day.

I am married, and separated to a man who is a textbook emotional abuser, Textbook.

I have been in therapy since last September, have done the freedom programme, spoken regularly with Women's Aid etc, and read every book there is.

My H, has taken the very first step. He is in therapy.

BUT..................

Nothing is even approaching change....because he CANNOT accept that it might just be, even just an ickle tiny weeny weeny ickle bit....him.

and in the meantime....I get on with my life, develop my career, so I can earn more money, reconnect with my friends, and understand the reality of my situation.

There are things that I love about my husband, but after MY therapy, those things are not enough, and I won't wait forever.

mumonthenet · 30/07/2010 23:03

Elmtree, have you read this book or this one?

If not, try them. You will get alot of answers to your questions...really.

Gigantaur · 30/07/2010 23:08

Ok. well yes it is possible for an abuser to seek counselling and given enough effort on his part he can "change" and reach a place where he will no longer abuse his partner. I would say that in order for his treatment to work he would need to end the current relationship whilst undergoing this treatment.
as and when he is "cured" of his abusive tendancies then they can consider resuming the relationship.

In almost all cases they are aware of what they are doing.

It is possible that in a few rare cases a mental health issue means that they may act upin impulse and may not be aware at the time.

Yes it is possible for a man to abuse his partner and yet still have love for them.

dizietsma · 30/07/2010 23:37

Simple answer- no.

Less simple answer- no, and you can't help them if you're a victim of their abuse, you can only remove yourself from the situation.

ItsGraceActually · 31/07/2010 00:16

Elmtree, I grew up in a turbulent, violent family. To me it was the norm. Needless to say, I then went on to choose abusive partners and I also abused them. It was the only kind of love I knew; I didn't find out until I was 35 that not all men hit their wives.

After that I did some work on myself - clearly not enough, as I then got into an emotionally abusive relationship. This kind of covert, manipulative abuse went right past my radar but ended as turbulently as the others.

I want to be able to tell you I'm fixed, but the truth is I don't know. I'm scared to test my changes! I have never sat down and thought "Now, how can I crush Fred's ego?" or the like - and I don't believe my earlier partners plotted that way about me. There was, however, a current of mutual contempt (alongside the 'love') in all my relationships. I see that in my siblings' marriages, too: they are sick relationships. Their children have the same behavioural-psychological issues that we had.

I do believe my second H, the manipulative one, is personality disordered ("mad" in old-fashioned speak) and sees other people as no more than game characters - where he is the controller. My father was almost certainly a psycho/sociopath; he had trouble believing he was real, never mind anybody else!

In "Why Does He Do That?", Lundy Bancroft tells how he entered the field of DV as an anger management counsellor. As his courses progressed, he came to the shocking realisation that the men in his groups were doing it on purpose. The answer to the title question, briefly, is "Because they get away with it." My Dad used to say he wouldn't be a bully if anyone could stop him (duh!) - which, mad as he was, I suppose amounts to the same thing.

With apologies for my long-windedness, I think the answer is what we've repeated so often in the NPD & Stately Home threads: it doesn't matter whether there's a clinical name for it, or not. Abusers only know how to care about themselves and are happy to damage others for their own satisfaction. They won't stop because they don't have to. Some of them are pathologically incapable of stopping.

As to what you said about 'sociopaths' - well, around 12% of Americans & Europeans are diagnosed with a Personality Disorder. Bear in mind that diagnosis only happens when a person is sectioned or self-refers for treatment. Add to this the fact that most people with a PD believe there's nothing wrong with them (it's a symptom) ... and you've got a whole lot of undiagnosed nutters rampaging around, leaving their trails of human destruction. Few of them have any incentive to change.

Sorry, that was more of a ramble than a clarification! If you think you are being abused, the only safe response is to get yourself out of the abuser's sphere of influence.

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