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Parents trying to tell me how to discipline ds - smacking (long)

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Laura032004 · 22/08/2005 06:59

Sorry if this is long..

DS (16m) and I staying with my parents at the moment on an extended holiday. We've been here 5 wks, and have another 2 wks to go. I'm now here by myself with ds (dh was here the last 3 wks, but has now gone home).

DS has been a bit of a biter / nipper for a while, but it hasn't really been a major problem until now. At home it happens once or twice a week, but at the moment, it's several times a day. It seems to happen if he's not getting all the attention he wants, or conversely, when he's getting lots of attention (rough play on floor kind of thing).

My response, at home, is usually to act very hurt and pretend to cry, and he seems to feel sorry and gives me/dh a cuddle to say sorry.

As it's been happening lots here, I've been saying no very sternly, and asking him to say sorry. If the person pretends to cry like I would, he will usually 'say sorry' in his way, but if they don't he doesn't appear at all remorseful.

TBH I think as soon as we go home, this will probably go back to normal, so I'm not too worried (but if anybody has a fab way of stopping this then let me know!).

The problem is, my parents aren't happy with the way I'm dealing with this. They started off saying that they would smack him if he did that again (if I wasn't right there but as it's a bungalow I can usually hear what he's up to).

Then my sister (she's 15) did smack him on the hand. Too hard in my opinion, and he was really upset. I went mad, and said nobody was to hit him. She said that she didn't think that I was doing enough when he was hurting her/them, but I said I was happy with what I was doing. She disagreed with me, but I said that if she wasn't going to treat him in the same way that I do, then she isn't responsible enough to look after him. She also said that my mum has said she will smack him (mum was there) and I said to both of them that nobody was to do that, and that it wasn't their place to discipline him in that way.

A day or two later, he nipped my dad, and he threatened to smack him if he did it again. I repeated nobody was to do that as we aren't going to smack him.

Yesterday he bit my mum. She didn't react in the sad way, so he didn't seem sorry. My dad was really mad and said that the way I was dealing with it wasn't working (hints of terrible things I've got to come if I don't deal with this now by smacking him....) and then walked out of the room.

What do you think I should do? Even if smacking has a place at older ages, I really don't think it does at this age. How else can I reprimand him? Any tips on what to say to my parents?

We're having a really nice time apart from this issue, but sadly this is really making me think about changing my flights home. I think I would apart from the fact that I'm accompanying my sister back to her boarding school on the way back.

OP posts:
Laura032004 · 22/08/2005 12:35

What age do they start to develop empathy?

I've heard the one about biting them too, but that wouldn't work for me - I couldn't bite him.

I think removing him entirely will probably work better, as he has been known to bite again immediately afterwards, so at least this will stop those.

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Blu · 22/08/2005 12:39

I think biting a child back is completely illogical for biting - firstky for all the same reasons that you wouldn't want to smack, and secondly because of the lack of empathy - they just don't correlate 'that hurt ME, so that is what it must feel like for someone else'.

I think they develop genuine empathy sometime around 2.5?

NotActuallyAMum · 22/08/2005 12:40

As you can see from my name, I have no children but I do have 10 nieces and nephews and we are a very close family. My sister and one of my brothers used to smack their children and always said I had permission to do the same (I looked after them a lot). But I never did - I wouldn't dream of it. I don't think anyone should ever smack anyone else's children even if they have the parents' backing - as I did - let alone when they have been specifically told not to do it!

Blu · 22/08/2005 12:41

And as I understand it, the mass outbreaks of biting that often occur in nurseries are because the kids are all copying each other.

I think it would be cruel for an adult to bite a child.

highlander · 22/08/2005 15:16

I know this is bad - but I haven't read the other posts so sorry if I'm repeating what others have said.

Like you, I'm very anti-smacking and I personally think you are doing the right thing by staying calm.

DS (11.5mo) is also going through a biting phase. It's worse when we are doing very physical play. Anyway, I lower my voice to a growl, put on a scowl and say 'biting bad, biting bad', whislt setting him on the floor. I turn my back on him for 11 seconds and he usually bursts into tears. I then pick him up, cuddle him and ask for 'gentle kissies', whilst giving him a kiss. He usually responds with a cuddle and I praise him like mad then we carry on as normal.

I've no idea whether this is right, but there's no way in a million years I would punish him by smakcing or biting back. Just reinforces violence IMO.

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