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best friend continually allows dh to treat her with contempt

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violeteyes · 20/07/2010 15:52

will try not to make this too long, but i am so so sad watching my lovely friend just accept shoddy treatment, being treated like a lesser human in her own home. i am worried she doesn't even see what is happening to her and feel that i could at least try to explain that normal,healthy marriages just aren't like this.

the back story.

friend has always somewhat under acheived, seemingly afraid of reaching too high or following her own dreams on her own. she seems to have an idealised vision of love as the main thing in life, gets overinvolved in relationships very quickly.

she had a very long term relationship which made her very ill and very sad, he had mental health problems which were apparently the problem. after 9 years he abruptly left her. just after he finished the degree she had worked to pay him through, leaving her with large debts she had run up as he couldn't handle financial stress. she was devastated.

a couple of short but intense relationships over the next year. she decides she loves one after 3 months but he dumps her for some alleged too close to his mate moment-very childish. she tries to get him back despite him effectively humiliating her.

her mother becomes ill, probably terminal. they are extremely close.

she meets man now her dh. he proposes after 3 months. moves in. they marry after 10 months together. he doesn't want to get to know her friends.
they run up debts on expensive wedding and honeymoon.
pregnant 5 months after wedding. her mother dies when baby months. pregnant again when baby 11months-unplanned apparently as he only wanted one child.

he never meets her friends-she hardly sees anyone but his or her family. he spends most of his days off with his friends, doing one of his numerous hobbies. he has a playroom in their 4 roomed rented house, while her father and sister sleep on sofa on their frequent visits.children have little space to play etc, baby in their room etc. he spends money on the latest phones, computor games, stuff for his hobbies, clothes, going out etc despite her having few clothes, never going anywhere etc

he needs to nap every afternoon after work because of his job. even when she is ill. she has to do all childrens meals, all housework etc.

i don't know how he speaks to her or anything as i have never really seen them together, she almost never mentions him.

i see her most weeks, been friends since school. i think i may be the only friend she sees, with one other mutual friend she talks to on phone. this friend also very concerned.

she is so sad, so down trodden. she says it is grief for her mum, which i don't doubt is a factor but she has been married for 3 years, surely things should be better.

i am afraid of isolating and depressing her more-even of being a bit of a bully by critiscing her marriage, but i tried not to critiscise her old relationship and all sorts came out afterwards.

he is, to use good old mn speak, an overgrown manchild with an incedible sense of entitlement who sees himself as the only person in that relationship.

any advice?

i am so angry, with him for sitting in his playroom laughing at her, but i must confess also with her for letting him

OP posts:
NicknameTaken · 21/07/2010 09:38

That must be really painful to watch, violet.

Bumping for you as I'm sure someone will have better advice.

All I can say is that I think you're right to avoid criticizing her marriage as much as possible, as I don't think that would help right now. But you can let her know that she doesn't have to live like this.

BlueFergie · 21/07/2010 10:06

It sounds really difficult and is a very hard thing to handle as interfering in people relationships is very rarely welcomed. All you can really do is be there for and offer her all the support you can. You could say to her that you are worried about her as she seems very unhappy. if she says it is grief as she probably will, ask if her DH is supportive and helping her, perhaps suggest she go to some counselling to talk through her loss (maybe the counsellor will help her delve further into her unhappiness or at least it will be an outlet for her). Take every opportunity to talk about her husband, ask leading questions (even ones you already know the answer to) but don't openly criticise him. Suggest as he spends so much time with his mates maybe you and her could go out/ away sometime. it will be slow but if and when she decides to open up she needs to know you will be there and you understand.

Jux · 21/07/2010 10:58

I, too, was going to suggest you ask her if she is happy, and to say that she doesn't seem to be.

She sounds like she is in the same place I was years ago with dh. If someone had bothered to ask me if I was happy I think things would have come to a head.

It's quite difficult, as caught at the 'right' time I would have just made excuses - I'm tired etc. but caught at the 'wrong' time, I suspect it would have elicited the truth. Everyone was too scared of criticising, so no one asked. It does add to that feeling that you're not worth bothering about, btw.

violeteyes · 30/07/2010 21:51

thank you for reading so much. i am meeting up with her without her children and just my 14 week old tomorrow, - first time i will have seen her without her children in over two years. that is, according to her unless she has row with her dh and its off, but she is more confident will be allowed as week goes on.

i think i will just ask her if she is happy, try and just talk more about her life, but not be critical, try not to have any pre conceptions.

Jux, that is exactly what i fear may be happening, that she doesn't see that she is worth bothering with.

we spent day with children on thurs, very nice but i felt she was almost hiding behind them, we were with other friend and yet she was so engaged with kids not like she was reallly 'there'. however she looked better than she has in a while.

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MavisG · 13/08/2010 08:53

How did it go, Violet?

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