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tell me what you think about this (bit long, sorry)

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mogwai · 20/08/2005 21:42

I come from a small family. I used to be very close to my mum's brother (he's only six years older than me), so though he's my uncle, he was always more like a brother.

When I got married two years ago, my mum caused a lot of trouble. To cut the story short, she wasn't happy about not getting her own way over the arrangements. She started bad-mouthing me to my uncle, occasionally telling out and out lies to get him to side with her. Unfortunately, he believed her lies and he fell out with me before the wedding.

He did come to my wedding, but gave me dirty looks all day and left at 8pm (unlike him). He and his wife also did not give us a wedding present, which is also unlike them.

Last year, my mum decided she wanted to be friends with me. She admitted to me that she had told lies to my uncle, but refuses to believe that this is why he fell out with me (there's no other reason I can see). She promised me she would admit the same to my uncle. I doubt she ever had the courage to tell him she had been telling lies about me.

I have never seen or spoken to my uncle since I got married (May 2003) but have continued to send birthday cards to everyone in their house, presents for their children etc. They have continued to send me a birthday card (always late) but have always forgotten my dh's birthday

When I had my first child last month, my uncle and his wife completely ignored her birth. This is despite my husband and I having gone to inordinate lengths to make sure we celebrated the birthdays of all three of their children for the last 15 years. Most recently, their son turned 18, so we sent him a card with £50 in it.

I can kind of take their behaviour. I mean, I can rise above it, though I have decided that I've sent my last birthday card to their house, I think their behaviour is disgraceful.

What I can't take is my mother, who continues to act as though nothing has happened, is always telling me that she's been round to their house, despite the fact she apparently feels "upset" about them ignoring my daughter's birth. I've just come off the phone to her now - she's seen them today and was merrily telling me where they are going on their holidays next week.

Sometimes, I feel so angry with my mother I can barely speak to her. I feel uneasy leaving my daughter with her, knowing my uncle and his wife may pop in to have a look at the baby (who, obviously, they have never seen). I think they should come to see me if they want to see my baby.

How can I explain to my mum that her "disloyalty" makes me feel upset?

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mogwai · 20/08/2005 22:32

you know what I thought?

"That bird is someone's son or daughter"

WTF?????

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Twiglett · 20/08/2005 22:32
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JoolsToo · 20/08/2005 22:33

why don't you tell your mother that next time she goes to your uncle's you want to go with her so she can explain to him, with you present, what she said wasn't true.

mogwai · 20/08/2005 22:35

I also now thoroughly sympathise with the knackered-looking starlings who were nesting under our eaves earlier this year.

Their chicks were constantly shrieking for food and they were constantly attending to them.

Didn't have to arse about with a steam steriliser, though

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mogwai · 20/08/2005 22:37

do you think it's actually worth explaining to him?

I wrote the letter (that I didn't send) in the spirit of "I don't want you in my life, but I want you to know the truth", but I wondered whether I was just being a dramatic new mother with steamed-up goggles (from the steriliser, obviously)

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moondog · 20/08/2005 22:40

Yes!! Don't do it defensively (it will give him all the more reason to resent your success if that is what is bothering him.) Tell him you love him and need him in your and your baby's life.

Who couldn't fail to be moved and even a little ashamed?

Pruni · 20/08/2005 22:44

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mogwai · 20/08/2005 22:47

the problem is, I'd like him to feel ashamed but I don't think I want him in my life (or is that also just my hormones and feeling hurt??).

Before he fell out with me, it was a lot of effort on our part with very little in return from him (ie we always went to his house, rarely the reverse, and we always had to talk about someting he was interested in...motorbikes, trucks, cars.......I know little about any of these things). I suppose I was alwas aware it was me who had gone away to uni, me who had changed (probably become very middle class), but still it was a bloody strain pretending not to be too "posh".

After he fell out with us, it was like a sigh of relief in one sense. We could be ourselves.

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mogwai · 20/08/2005 22:49

yup pruni, I'm with you

Despite having had no sleep last night, I have just sent my dh to work nights with a roast lamb dinner in his tum, cos I felt the need to send him out with a decent meal.

Would have suggested he stop at the drive-thru before we had the baby

Am turning into my nan

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moondog · 20/08/2005 22:50

mogwai,know it's a bit different but I had (have) a friend who I hadn't seen for a long time-too long so that I actually started to avoid her.I knew that it bothered her as she had rung up other friends about it,which pissed me off and put me in a fighting mood-even less inclined to see her.
Then one day,out of the blue,I got a long letter from her,saying how much she cared about me and wanted me in her children's lives. It really took the wind out of my sails and made me feel very mean and childish.

Maybe the same might happen to your uncle?

mogwai · 20/08/2005 22:52

I'm sure you are right, Moondog

Are you in north wales at the moment, by the way?

Am waving at you across the Dee Estuary!!

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mogwai · 20/08/2005 22:53

(and those welsh people on angelsey really did switch into welsh when they heard me speaking english )

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moondog · 20/08/2005 22:55

But..... (Monndog's interminable supply of boring personal anecdotes never runs dry) I have also recently called time on a long friendship with someone who was draining the marrow from mt bones with her mid life crisis (hitting 40,single,childless,dating wildly unsuitable men,boring for Britain on the subject,very prickly and huffy,incredibly easy to offend and so on).

A long and candid letter did the trick. She's outta my life and boy do I feel relieved!

(Family is different though and arguably we allhave to listen to our relatives banging on. I know more about scuba diving,majorettes and rehousing retired racing greyhounds as a direct result of my encouraging smiles and nods.)

moondog · 20/08/2005 22:56

I'm in Turkey now mogwai.
(I'm still not convinced about my countrymen and women though!)

moondog · 20/08/2005 22:56

Oh,are you one of them posh Wirral girls??

mogwai · 20/08/2005 23:02

not quite, Moondog, but I'm in the vicinity.

And sometimes known to eat fish and chips by the marina in West Kirby when my mother is REALLY getting me down

(BTW you lot, is is bad form to drink when you are in charge of a baby? I've just cracked open a bottle of Remy Martin my PILs gave DH on his last birthday (he hates brandy, loves single malt whiskies, they have the two confused). When I looked in the bin and saw the empty bottle of vodka and the empty corvoisier, I thought it looked a bit, well, off)

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moondog · 20/08/2005 23:14

Drinking too much in charge of infant is bad primarily because you will never again be able to nurse your hangover in peace and solitude again. (Well,not for the next 18 years anyway.)

Drunkenness (even the mildest sort) also means morning after feelings of guilt, worthlessness and neglectful slovenly ways unacceptable in the mother of young children.
(Or is that just me??)

mogwai · 20/08/2005 23:23

and, surely, inability to focus properly on the Sunday Times long enough to nod head knowingly at India Knight's insights on motherhood and Minette Marin's general wisdom on how the country is going to the dogs??

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moondog · 20/08/2005 23:24

Precisely.
(I'm an Observer girl meself though!)

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