Archers thread #192: Village of the Dammed. Discuss the beavers here. Throw in the odd word about the Archers if you must.

[Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]

Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads.

All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed, and of course we are always delighted to welcome back former or occasional listeners/posters. We don't all agree on all points, although we do mostly try to be civil about it. Most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that you'd love to have Kate present as you give birth, or other unusual views.

Spoilers: not on this thread, please! We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/radio_addicts/4636789-the-archers-spoilers-thread-7-cant-wait-for-702pm-join-us-here, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

For newer listeners, lurkers or those who just have no idea what we're talking about, @DadDadDad has created this useful thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have - BOOP point for him! (See thread for explanation.)

I'm more excited about the arrival of the beavers than anything else going on in Ambridge at the moment. I hope there will be a webcam.

Bets on how much of next week is set in the castle or on the way there/back? I'm bracing myself for at least 50%.

I think Kate may have met Brodie when she last visited Phoebe in Scotland

That would certainly explain why he’s keeping his head down at present.

That "bad reception" aspect irritated me SO much!! As if a couple expecting their first baby would be relying on semaphor, or something 🙄

@LillianGish hahaha to newbies ‘flailing around in Ambridge’. That’s exactly what it’s like!

Whatever rubbish the Archers has peddled this year it was all worth it just to hear Mark Bonnar as Finlay - to be honest if all critters oooked and sounded like him there would be no shortage of women rushing north

"Crofters" even

Helen moving to Scotland would sort the whole will inherit the farm and current shared housing problems. Henry will stay behind, cue decades of conflict with Tom. Eventually Jack will come back to stake his claim.

But I don't want to inflict Helen on Finlay.

Go Kirsty 😁 'no chance'

Yes. Tom is the absolute pits. Self-absorbed much?

What’s brought on all this with Tom?

@Abra1t , Tom Tit has realised that his ex-fiancee was far easier to live with than Natasha, Novichok and Sarin, Helen and the boys.

Steak with The Critter or Kate's vegan haggis?
I'm a vegetarian but...

I’m pescatarian - but I honestly might eat steak for him …

Masterly bit of writing tonight - is there anything on earth Tom won’t try to screw up? So bloody disloyal to his wife. While at the same time telling Kirsty she’d have been good enough to stay with if she’d produced an heir. Thank god she set him straight. Prat.

Is ‘Helen’ very busy on the telly soaps? Does she need an exit from Ambridge?

I wouldn't eat steak but the thought of a roaring fire and good company in a romantic setting would beat a meal with Lilian, Kate, Tony and Leonie. (Ruairi has probably been buried under some peat by now.)

Were we barking up the wrong tree, is the traitor Tom?

He definitely is. I hope Henry tells his Mum …

Game was the hardest thing to give up … If I still lived in Scotland I’m not sure I’d have revised my carnivorous life.

Liz John, the script writer this week, needing something to happen in Ambridge as well as in Blackpool and in Scotland?

It's been more than eight years, Tom; time to shut up about it now. While you're at it, stop reminding Kirsty, too: she doesn't need your maudlin bullshit. You have two children; think about them more and less about a dead, unnamed baby whom you have retrospectively decided to call Wren – which neither of you ever did at the time.

Making it so clear that a son, even a son who never lived, is immensely superior to his daughters. Because cricket. I think.

Please be a little bit sensitive to who is reading the thread.

I hope that men who are no longer with someone who miscarried a child conceived by accident nine years ago (men who are married to someone else, and with two children from that marriage, while the woman who lost the child is now likely never to have one of her own) would refrain from going on at the person who suffered the actual miscarriage. about their grief over the lost foetus. It's rather less than sensitive of Tom, and I rather hope nobody reading this would do what he has.

Godalmighty. Any normal man wouldn’t be emoting and snivelling by now over the miscarriage even of a planned and longed-for pregnancy. Tom bleating about an accidental conception, retrospectively ( @AskingQuestionsAllTheTime is right, as ever) named (with a b-awful name) as if it had been the culmination of his life’s ambition is…
well, a bit bloody much really.
Obnoxious little titt. I’m glad he’s miserable.

She didn't miscarry, it was a stillbirth.

It was a late miscarriage.

Whatever. She gave birth to a dead baby.

We were told on air that she was having a late miscarriage, and the dates fit with that. The baby was conceived on 16th September, 2016, and was due in June 2017; Kirsty miscarried on 12th February, 2017.

We were also told not that the foetus was dead, but that the doctors said it wouldn't make it.

So, distillery...Royal Lochnagar?

From what I remember, the foetus was delivered. It was her dead baby, regardless of when it died.

Can we change the subject?