Archers thread #192: Village of the Dammed. Discuss the beavers here. Throw in the odd word about the Archers if you must.

[Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]

Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads.

All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed, and of course we are always delighted to welcome back former or occasional listeners/posters. We don't all agree on all points, although we do mostly try to be civil about it. Most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that you'd love to have Kate present as you give birth, or other unusual views.

Spoilers: not on this thread, please! We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/radio_addicts/4636789-the-archers-spoilers-thread-7-cant-wait-for-702pm-join-us-here, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

For newer listeners, lurkers or those who just have no idea what we're talking about, @DadDadDad has created this useful thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have - BOOP point for him! (See thread for explanation.)

I'm more excited about the arrival of the beavers than anything else going on in Ambridge at the moment. I hope there will be a webcam.

Bets on how much of next week is set in the castle or on the way there/back? I'm bracing myself for at least 50%.

Exactly what I was going to say. And invertebrate Hannah.

She's so awful. Going on and on, saying please, please, please like that. She's a woman in her sixties, have some dignity for god's sake.

I'm assuming Hannah is massively winding her up with the space theme.

My heart lifted a little when Amber told Emma she wasn't sure if she wanted to marry George. He of course ran away like the immature specimen he is, couldn't actually do the adult thing and talk. But if his stupid mother and family hadn't decided to go along with the ridiculous marriage idea, and had told him not to be so silly, that he and amber needed to actually get to know each other first etc, he wouldn't have got so fixated in the idea in the first place.

Hannah (was it Hannah?) was taking a leaf out of Leonard's playbook and telling poke-nose Joy a Big Old Lie. Good tactic.

I think if they hadn’t supported it, both George and Amber would have been far more intent on seeing it through.

Quite possibly.

I do want it to all fall apart but I have a feeling the SW wrongly want a happy ending for George, so I think they'll stretch amber's indecision but she'll be back at the last minute.

I’m not sure Alice would ban George from seeing Martha. Chris’ stance is really about his feelings towards George and making a decision on behalf of Alice.

Emmur can’t help lying, can she?
She didn’t tell Will in the churchyard before the wedding that she was upduffed. MUCH safer to pretend it was a honeymoon babay.

She did tell him, when he was having his "if you don't love me you don't have to marry me" worry. (She would have been in a bit of a fix if he'd decided to back out at that point, wouldn't she.)

He's learning cry bullying as well

I think Emma's tactic is working- I'm sure she said from the outset that if they tried to stand in Amber and George's way it would make them more determined.
Now she just needs to give Amber space and a listening ear.. And then she can say to George it was all Amber's decision. Job done.

Oh bugger, @AskingQuestionsAllTheTime . Misremembered, and I was so sure.

Amber: something flies get stuck in.

Disagree strongly.
It seemed genuine to me. Also bullying implies repetition and pattern.

The actor is so good that one minute I find George an odious little scrote, the next I find him vulnerable and feel pity for him.

Chris was out of order.

I agree. He's that good. It's very annoying.

Part of me likes simplicity: Tom actor not very good = utter wazzock. Sorted.

Sure, but TA is a hell of a lot more secure and a lot of acting parts will fit round it. If the TV series doesn't take off (which sounds distinctly possible) then she ends up with nothing plus a flop on her CV.

His licence probably does require him to stay at a defined address, but it's possible to change it, and having a job offer elsewhere would be a very good reason to do so.

This is not going to go well when George discovers Emma has been advising Amber - she should have been advising George. This is his first girlfriend - and one met in rather unusual circumstances, the equivalent of a holiday romance that flounders when both parties return to real life. Of course he feels heartbroken, but that's life and you can't get through it without a bit of heartbreak. George is likely to see this as a massive betrayal - by Amber and worst of all by his mum. I'm not sure what Emma was thinking of to be honest.

Chris was out of order. He wasn't.

Nice to hear Hannah again.

I’m sure the ‘lovely’ workshop would hold an implement she could have used to bash Joy around the chops for her incessantly whining pleeeeeeasse.

Chris wasn't out of order at all.
He acted exactly how I would have done in the circumstances.

Where was the workshop? At home or work? I couldn’t quite picture it.

Shopping Brad was to save his own skin.

I imagined it to be at work @TottersBlankly, at Berrow, somewhere where the tractor might be. I couldn’t work out if Hannah was winding Joy up with the space theme. I thought she might do something pig related. I think what I find most irritating about Joy is that she has no proper hinterland - she’s just there to knit other randoms into the story, like a chess piece that can move anywhere (and do anything!!) She’s functional, but of no interest in her own right.

Space theme with A Spaceman Came Travelling (Chris de Burgh) on the speakers is perfect.

ETA: Doh! Pig related. HOGFATHER!

I don't think Emma deliberately chose to side with Amber as opposed to George. Amber asked her if she was 'sure' when she got married and Emma realised she hadn't been and had made the wrong decision. I thought it was a good conversation on both sides and drew on the past unlike some recent stories.