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Opinions on the doona car seat stroller?

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shakey1 · 02/01/2024 23:13

Anyone got any opinions on this? I drive and I have 3 other children , just waiting for my next car from saving for a while. Just wondering if this is a good investment to use? I know your baby isn't supposed to be in a car seat for a certain amount of time but the car I'm looking to get isn't very spacious in the boot for Carrycot etc. just looking for advice and opinions

Opinions on the doona car seat stroller?
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shakey1 · 02/01/2024 23:33

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shakey1 · 05/01/2024 23:36

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carrotsnparsnips · 05/01/2024 23:37

cool concept but when i looked into it the crash test isn’t great so i decided against it safety wise

Somuchgoo · 05/01/2024 23:40

We loved ours and used it until about 18m for each of our children. I used it instead of a buggy, alternating it with slings. Absolutely brilliant.

shakey1 · 06/01/2024 07:51

@carrotsnparsnips oh dear I need to look into that thankyou so much

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shakey1 · 06/01/2024 07:51

@Somuchgoo as precious poster just said it's not good with crash test so I'm going to look more into it, I was going to do the same with the sling etc now I'm abit wary

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boobot1 · 06/01/2024 08:11

Theyre brilliant, best thing I bought.

welshweasel · 06/01/2024 08:23

It doesn't give a very safe position for a newborn and babies shouldn't be in a car seat for more than 30 minutes at a time so I'm not really sure what the point of it is? Get a decent supportive car seat and a small lightweight buggy that lies flat, such as the yoyo, uppababy minu or bugaboo butterfly.

BertieBotts · 07/01/2024 10:34

There are other solutions to not being able to fit a carrycot in the boot of your car :)

You can use a sling until baby is older.

You can get a buggy with a proper lie flat mode - some good suggestions above, also look at Mutsy Evo, Cybex Priam, Cybex Balios S Lux, Maxi Cosi Leona, Joie Chrome, Finiti, Aeria etc. Some of these fold small enough to fit into a Suzuki Swift boot (this is what we had - we couldn't fit a carrycot in).

You can place a carrycot on the back seat, next to the baby in their car seat - if you don't have other children. If you do plan to have more children in the future you could plan to upgrade the car by the time the second one is born.

You can get what they call a "soft carrycot" and place into various strollers. (Just google soft carrycot for examples or soft carrycot + brand of stroller you like)

You could purchase one of the car cot type seats (e.g. Maxi Cosi Jade) and place on a pushchair set to create a travel sysrem. These do not last as long as other baby car seats, but when outgrown, baby will be able to sit up and therefore they will fit a normal buggy seat and they will also be fine in the fixed or rotating car seats that stay in the car, like Avionaut Sky or Britax Dualfix.

The Doona is OK as a car seat/stroller combo, and definitely has a role for people who do a lot of in/out of cars, but it won't replace a proper lie flat pram, and it's probably not that much more convenient than getting a combo of any universal infant carrier (there are various brands that go on universal pram adapters e.g. Cybex, Maxi Cosi, Britax, Joie) and a lightweight buggy such as Bugaboo Bee or Babyzen Yoyo. You can get car seats which have much better positioning for new babies, such as the Maxi Cosi ones with the nice inserts (pebble series, or Cabriofix i-size is a cheaper option), Avionaut Pixel/Cosmo which is very ergonomic, or lie flat type seats (which aren't REALLY as flat as a carrycot so shouldn't replace the carrycot totally, but are better than the normal 30ish degree car seat angle) like Britax Babysafe 5Z, Cybex Cloud T, Joie i-Level etc. The new Besafe Beyond set looks great too.

The crash test isn't awful, it's not so bad that I'd say avoid it, but it isn't as good as some other brands especially for side impact protection. I've also heard people say that it's heavy to lift in and out of the car which sort of defeats the point of it, and the wheels are small so aren't great for any terrain other than airports, shopping centres, very smooth pavement etc. (This will be the same for any of the ultracompact buggies - you need bigger wheels for more terrain capability).

In terms of time in car seats the recommendations are that newborns up to 4 weeks should have a break from the car seat every 30 minutes, and after this age it's 2 hours after which they need a break. Also they should not spend too much of their day in a restricted position (which a car seat is) - they need plenty of time on a flat surface to roll around and practice their development - rolling, stretching, moving, kicking. Being aware of these limits is important regardless of which car seat you have Smile I think it's totally possible to have a balance - people get very black and white about this issue. It's really up to you to think about what is likely to work best for you.

If you have a locak stockist it is a good idea to go and look at the seat in person, see if they have a weighted doll you can put in it and practice lifting it up and doing the wheels etc. Compare the angle to other car seats. See how the other car seats go onto a pram and how that feels - most decent sized baby shops will have all these things to try out, so go and have a play. It's a large amount of money so it's a good idea to try things out first.

Somuchgoo · 07/01/2024 11:04

The people who don't think it would be much more convenient have clearly never used a doona.

  • yes, with a chassis and attachable car seat you can get the same sort of vague functionality, but having something designed for the purpose works much better. My pram chassis I could have attached a maxi cozy to instead of my doona, but it took up half my boot. I saw so many people struggling to assemble their chassis in the pouring rain whilst I just pressed a button and went (rain cover can stay on in car seat mode with the front unzipped), many of them gawping at how easy ours was. Also, going places with friends using travel systems, is always be the one hanging around waiting because the Doona is so quick to use. Though it feels in his important time efficiency is for you. It's the difference between a few seconds and a few minutes.
  • going on a train or bus - absolutely fine, it fits down aisles 😁
  • getting a taxi also easy, as it works with a seat belt as well as with isofix.
  • it's supportive, as it would need to be for a car seat, but surprisingly roomy. Mine used it for 18m, which you wouldn't normally get with a first car seat.
  • it looks like it's just a city buggy, but it's managed a lot of offroading. It's coped with hills, mud, beaches. We've taken it abroad.
  • the lullaby trust actually say 2 hours for babies in car seats but to check regularly. The NHS seems to vary, with some saying 30m for the first month, some just saying 2 hours. Either the 30m guidance has recently been watered down, or it wasnt as firm as I thought it was Either way, using it as a pram means you are very close to your child, who will be facing you. We didn't personally keep strict time limits on them but taking into account, changing, cuddling, and we used slings a lot, I expect it would have been rarely more than 2 hours.

Realistically, if you are very keen on prams, then it's probably not for you. Your can't adjust the incline, can't lie flat etc. But if it's a backup for when you don't use a sling, and you want ultimate portability, its amazing.

I've been forced to use regular pushchairs since, due to my youngest having mobility issues, and I did have a big pram with bassinet etc. The one I've enjoyed most as a parent, and frankly they've enjoyed using most is the Doona.

ProjectsGalore · 07/01/2024 11:20

It's super easy but I would not risk my babies health for the sake of convenience. The reason there are guidelines over length of time in car seats relates to the position of the baby and that can compromise their breathing. Which is why they need to be taken out to stretch every 30 minutes. It is very easy for babies to stay in these for hours at a time. Driving to the wherever you are going, popping it up to walk around and driving home. Not for me.

Somuchgoo · 07/01/2024 11:45

ProjectsGalore · 07/01/2024 11:20

It's super easy but I would not risk my babies health for the sake of convenience. The reason there are guidelines over length of time in car seats relates to the position of the baby and that can compromise their breathing. Which is why they need to be taken out to stretch every 30 minutes. It is very easy for babies to stay in these for hours at a time. Driving to the wherever you are going, popping it up to walk around and driving home. Not for me.

Last time i checked, the lullaby trust were pretty hot on minimising risk. It being their main purpose etc...

They don't say 30m.

Is following the lullaby trust putting a baby at risk now?

Opinions on the doona car seat stroller?
shakey1 · 07/01/2024 12:00

I was told my my midwife on Friday it's changed now the nhs says baby in a car seat for 20 minutes no longer. It's all so confusing

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ProjectsGalore · 07/01/2024 12:06

@Somuchgoo I check the NHS and midwifery advice which directly contradicts the lullaby trust. Everyone needs to make their own judgment and balance risk.

Somuchgoo · 07/01/2024 12:29

ProjectsGalore · 07/01/2024 12:06

@Somuchgoo I check the NHS and midwifery advice which directly contradicts the lullaby trust. Everyone needs to make their own judgment and balance risk.

Not all of it. It's very contradictory even within the NHS. They need to sort it out to present a coherent message to parents. I still don't think following very common advice by NHS trusts and the lullaby trust can be considered reckless though.

so the general NHS page on carrying for your baby says <30 for the first month

But I've checked several individual trusts and the advice varies. This is advice that parents are sent home with, with that newborn babies.

-Southampton: 2 hours, no mention of 30m rule
-east Lancashire: 2 hours

  • Milton Keynes - 2 hours, but 30m for premature babies.
  • NHS Wales -2 hours

Basically some parts of the NHS still say 30m, a lot (may or may not be the majority, but on spot check, a lot) of individual trusts and the lullaby trust say 2hrs.

Being in the back with baby where possible to keep an eye on them, and not leaving then unattended whilst in car seats is probably far more important than sticky adhering to a specific limit though

BertieBotts · 07/01/2024 20:48

I don't mean a full sized pram, there are plenty of microfold prams which open out or close just as easily as the Doona and they are lighter. For example Nuna TRVL or gb QBit+. The Doona will certainly have the edge in some situations (I don't hate it) but it's worth looking at other options too.

18 months of use is good, infant car seats have got smaller - it used to be standard you could use them up to about 18-24 months (I am talking 15 years ago though) - this is partly the change to height based limits, and partly that the newer seats have much more sculpted ergonomic shapes/inserts which the Doona doesn't have. In some ways it is a more old fashioned type of car seat, which is probably why it doesn't get the crash test rating some of the newer types get. That's not necessarily an issue as the safety rating is still fine.

If you did want a longer lasting infant carrier out of the brands on sale today I would say Cybex are the biggest, Britax are fairly roomy too.

I don't see why people always quote the time limits on Doona threads because the same issue applies if you get a car seat that goes on your pram (which almost everyone does! We definitely used ours loads, mainly for supermarket shopping) and IME it's not that hard to keep within time limits - we would just take DS out for a cuddle halfway around and put him back in, which resets the timer.

Anyway if you want to know where it comes from:

2 hour rule is based on some general research, I can't identify the original study, but it's old - basically when travel systems were first invented (late 90s) the car seats were marketed as being magic gadgets that do everything - rocking seat, feeding seat, nap location, car seat, pushchair seat. And some people of course took this literally, left the baby in the seat all day apart from nappy changes and this was bad because they need to have time outside of "containers" to roll around for development. So then early 2000s this guidance came in that car seats are "bad for their spines". (This is probably where all the ergonomic inserts came in!)

2 hours is based on something else though - positional asphyxiation risk - basically when people use car seats as their baby's usual bed this is very risky, but it's not just overnight sleep which has been found to be the problem as unfortunately there have been cases where babies have suffered oxygen desaturation (and sometimes died) after being left napping in a car seat or a longer stretch in the car seat, usually when they have fallen asleep and the parent naturally hasn't wanted to disturb them. It's sort of related to the spine issue in that it's a chin to chest position which is the problem. In older, less ergonomic car seats you do frequently see chin to chest position. The Doona looks OK for this going by review photos, but a lot of reviews did say that the fit was not great when their baby was first born - this is not unusual with infant car seats, a lot of them have exactly the same problem. But if it is something that is important to you then there are car seats with very good newborn positioning. Avionaut are probably the winners here followed by Maxi Cosi.

The 30 min advice came in after some further research in 2016 where The Lullaby Trust wanted to know if the 2 hour guidance and the current "car seat tolerance test" that some hospitals do for premature babies was accurate, because the car seat tolerance test is generally done in a static car seat placed on the floor, which is about a 30 degree angle, whereas when infant car seats are installed in a car, they are at about 40-45 degrees. The researchers also were concerned that the vibration and movement of the car could put the babies into a less safe position, so they did this study on premature/newborn babies, and they had to stop the study because they felt it was too dangerous for the premature babies. This is why there is now additional guidance of max 30 mins for very young babies. Honestly, I have more thoughts about how they performed this study, but it's not a bad rule of thumb especially for really tiny babies like only a few days old - they often don't fit well into car seats and the angle is quite upright for them. Four weeks isn't that long and I'm sure I did relax a bit after the first couple of weeks.

I'm not aware of any 20 minute guidance. If you want you could ask your midwife for some further info, but I don't know where this comes from. It might be that she's got mixed up with the 30 mins or it might be that she has some different information from somewhere else. I've seen both the 30 mins and the 2 hours be misrepresented or misunderstood online quite a lot.

If you are planning to use the pram a lot and want to have it as a place for your baby to spend a lot of time in then the Doona isn't going to fill that role very well. But it can be a good option for someone who needs to be in and out of a car a lot, school runs, someone who uses taxis and so can't leave the car seat in the car at all, for air travel (all just examples, I'm sure there will be others - there was a youtuber who is a foster carer who reviewed one and said it was good because of all the appointments). I know people who had them and absolutely swore by them and thought they were brilliant. I didn't have a carrycot with my first baby (and also didn't have a travel system) and I didn't miss either.

Caspianberg · 09/01/2024 08:39

I would get a babyzen yo-yo instead and maxi cosi car seat for it.

The babyzen yoyo folds tiny, it will fit in footwell of car. But lasts until 22kg which is around 4-5 year old. So you can use the entire pram use time rather than buy another once outgrown doona. The babyzen can be used with baby folding carrycot or car seat to save space (plus a solid carrycot option but that takes up more space)

The doona is very heavy compared to say a maxi cosi pebble car seat (almost double weight).

TheCave · 09/01/2024 09:02

Another vote for the yo-yo. It folds up really small and fits in the car footwell. You can easily resell (or buy secondhand yourself) the newborn attachment. Facebook has some good car seat safety groups for advice on the safest newborn car seats.

Mydustymonstera · 09/01/2024 09:12

If u don’t have a car just now how do u usually get about? Would u not be better looking into something that works for your current lifestyle that can be easily adapted to fit your driving in future?
ie if u get public transport a lot then a mini buggy like the ones listed above that lies flat for new born, plus a sling, but check that the one u go for has a compatible car seat and folds small for the boot.

or if you walk a lot then go for a robust 3 wheeler then you can cover the miles easily, chuck all the older kids bags and coats on it, even give a preschooler a lift if needed.
what would work for u until u get the car or when u r not using it.

shakey1 · 09/01/2024 09:17

@Mydustymonstera hello, I only haven't had a car for a month or so, I normally drive and will be again this month only reason why I'm looking for options but not too expensive. Now i was looking at the cybex cloud T car seat and buy the pram seperate as I never really use the carry cot anyway, but it's expensive £200 for the car seat and £400 plus on the frame alone

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Excited101 · 09/01/2024 09:29

It doesn’t give a safe fit to a newborn. You need the Avionaut Cosmo, or pixel pro. Or the Britax babysafe core or Britax babysafe 5z. The pixel pro is the safest due to the special cushions it uses for the best positioning, it’s also the lightest and longest lasting- it’s also the most expensive.

the Doona is a great idea but it doesn’t fit babies well, rendering it unsafe. It’s very heavy too.

shakey1 · 09/01/2024 12:19

@Excited101 what does the pixel pro car seat fit onto? Like the chassis what type does it fix into?

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Excited101 · 09/01/2024 13:35

@shakey1 it will fit onto maxi Cosi adapters- so any chassis that’s compatible with those.

It really is an excellent seat, and you don’t need the isofix base if you don’t want to- it’s v easy to seat belt fit.

shakey1 · 09/01/2024 13:44

I@Excited101 oh I'll look into that thank you, I was looking at the cybex cloud T reclining one but trying to see what chassis it can go on to make it cheaper

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