Need a decent off roader and are Graco so bad?

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I have a dog and will need a decent pram for walking, thinking Jane or a 3 wheeler, what are good ones to look for? I dont want the buggy getting ruined though by mud etc. Was thinking a mamas and papas system with an MPX and Xcel chassis? Also how good are Graco systems? They look very plasticy.

Thanks

Nipper 360s are good off roaders.

M&P with MPX are lovely for smoother roads/paths so more a city pram, Xcel chassis is more bouncy suspension so more countryside.

Avoid Graco if you can afford to buy above that.

ok thanks! Im not sure if M&P are a waste of money as seems baby will grow out very quicly

I have the mamas and papas with fixed wheels- the carrycot is fab with a newborn, and my toddler loved it when she was in the pushchair as it is big and high. It is also good for off road as it has such big wheels.

However, for town use it is a nightmare, heavy and cumbersome and takes up loads of room in shops etc. It also isn't very trendy if that is important to you, but it is solid and I am planning on using it again for baby number 2 as it is still like new, three years on. I am also going to buy a three wheeler for town use once my new baby is out of the carrycot- probably city jogger mini or mamas and papas luna or sola.

ok thanks. what about a phil and teds but as a single for a newborn?

I didn't know Graco had a bad reputation but I love mine! Have the Symbio and it's great, is much easier to use than a lot of my friends prams and had no problems whatsoever.

I suppose it would depend on if you want a carrycot or not?

My daughter was born in December and I liked having one for the cold weather, and I also wanted to have her facing me. But obviously these things aren't essential so it really comes down to personal choice.

Phil and Teds seem to get great reviews and I am sure they would be great off road.

I had a mountain buggy years ago, that would go anywhere, including on pretty soft beaches.

Phil & teds; use with cocoon from birth and add doubles etc the more kids you have

how off-road are you talking? Does it need to go in your boot before you get to the off-roading as I find this is the biggest problem with decent off-roaders. The proper, hardcore ones tend to be heavy and bulky but you can usually get a 'bridging' buggy, which is designed with everyday life (shopping, getting it into a boot, driving along a pavement!) but which can 'cope' with the odd rough path.

I have a Hauck Traxx, with the four air-blown wheels and it is the best off-road buggy I have tried (there have been a few...my own and visitors to our very off-road home!) But it is heavy and bulky for putting in a car. I also have a nipper double (again with air tyres) which is a fantastic off-road buggy but I haven't tried the single.

The otehr optoin is a back-pack for the off-roading