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Difficult neighbours / party wall - would you just give up?

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Gentleness · 11/06/2010 22:59

My - sorry this turned out so long, but hoping for people with experience, or wise advice to slog on through it and help!

Our neighbours can be nice when we just see them in the road. But we have had a run-in about parking and know that he can be more than grumpy. It seems to be one of his touchpoints - "I've lived here for 27 yrs and there are some people in this road.... rahrahrah-rahrahrahrah..." - but we've persisted in being friendly and got through that one, we think! Generally they keep themselves to themselves and we were told that by other neighbours when we first moved in, with a bit of wink and nod...

They've known for ages that we are planning an extension to our kitchen which is right next to theirs (typical Edwardian L-shaped terrace). It is the usual really straightforward box out the back, basically converting the 3 outhouses into a new room, no planning permission required. I tried to deliver the partywall letter by hand 12 days consecutively - no answer on the door although I knew they were up and about because we could hear people on the stairs. They told us they were happy to sign but 14 days later, still hadn't returned the letter. So we started knocking again - with concern as we know he works shifts. Well today he answered the door at last, extremely grumpy though i apologised profusely for disturbing them and eventually he seemed to accept that we meant well.

Anyway, they've signed, but with the proviso that their garden wall (actually the back wall of their outhouses, long since removed)remains untouched. Totally uninterested in having a new, tidy, secure garden wall because he likes that one, it is the original, he has established plants growing there etc etc etc. All of which I can understand. But to do the work now we'll have to lose another 5cm off the width of the room (it was only 2.4 in the first place!) in order to have ours damp-proofed, and his wall might fall down anyway, especially as it is actually a joint double thickness wall and probably hasn't got very deep foundations. And we'll need to budget £400 to replace it if it does.

Plus the builder now says he thinks we should sort the chimney stack which has got much worse since we bought the house last summer with the awful winter we had. He's quoting £300 to repoint sections of our back wall and to rebuild the top 6 layers of brick in the shared chimney and cap off our side. And much cheaper and easier to do it now while the extension is underway than have to get scaffolding up later. So that means we have to go to this neighbour again to see what he thinks about that.

I just don't know if I can face it. Just coming out of PND, just had the carpel tunnel operation on my dominant hand, just spent a couple of months costing and planning this extension and new kitchen and now potentially £700 extra out of the blue leaving only £300 in our buffer unless I ultra compromise on appliances and other planned work. Just feel a bit weary and despondent.

Sorry this is so long (but it really helped to type it all out)...

Please tell me what you would do, or what did in similar circumstances...

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JimmyTarbuck · 11/06/2010 23:15

I really feel that you should go ahead and do what you want to do to your property. You are being perfectly reasonable and have gone about things in the right way.
We had our loft converted and went about it all the correct way, but our neighbour of 10 years, with whom we were good friends, refused to sign the party wall agreement. We ended up having to change our plans and also had to pay a surveyor she appointed to look at our plans. We were annoyed and disappointed with her behaviour, but the extension was worth it. Things were never the same with our neighbour again, although we did manage to put it all in the past. I think that people who have been in the same property for years do start to think that they have greater rights than others.
Just go ahead and do what is best for you, even if it means a few awkward moments with your neighbours. For all you know they might sell up and move next month. Good luck, it will all be worth it.
By the way, do you have an architect that could go round to your neighbours and go through the plans with them?

whiteliesaregoodlies · 12/06/2010 09:17

I would still do it. As long as you go about it the right way, in a couple of years this will all seem a minor irritation.

And as a lesson in not doing it the right way, in our old house our (terraced) neighbour decided to remove the (shared) chimney stack without supporting the wall underneath and without even telling us, causing the entire (landing) wall between us to bow outwards and crack. That took two years to sort out and funny enough we were pretty pissed off about it!

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