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My F**king ex-Builder. The Final Series.

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Pavlov · 28/05/2010 20:49

Not sure where you are all up to. So quick summary (for those who have no idea. Just think...worst nightmare with a loft conversion and there you have it.

Ex-builder was fired, he started small claims process for a made up sum, we counter-claimed for the same amount. We have been to court for a preliminary hearing, where the judge ordered that we get a joint structural report at shared cost, which we agreed to do.

Three days later, the builder puts in an application to strike his business off. BUT, did not/does not know that I have been tracking his business at Companies House and they have notified me of this! They also notified me that someone (they keep it anonymous) has disputed this so he has had his application suspended. Another creditor I should think.

So, we wrote to the Court, asking where this leaves us, as if his business is struck off, it means he is not able to trade for 3 months, and surely paying a structural engineer (we are suing his business) would be 'activity' and could we all meet so the judge can direct us on the legal position here. I enclosed copies of the applications he sent to companies house! At this stage the builder did not know, and still does not know we have this information.

We arrived at court today, ready to explain ourselves, as to why we have not got the structural report done and why we have called the meeting. My DH was going to wait outside in the waiting room as we had no babysitter for our bear cub. We were called in, and said we could bring in baby as he wanted to see us both.

Mr Bodge the builder did not turn up! Oh Dear. Oh Dear. Oh Dear. His Honour was not impressed. He read a letter from Mr Bodge saying his company had ceased trading and he had no assets. I corrected him, and said that he had requested to cease his company, but it was still active until next month and the request had been suspended. The judge nodded, saying yes, that is correct!

He said 'so, Mr Bodge has, as far as I can see, clearly indicated by his absence and his letter that he no longer intends to pursue his case against you', would you come to that conclusion?' 'yes you honour, it appears so' .

The upshot is, Judge had thrown his claim against us out, and is going for a full and final hearing in the next month to hear our case against him. He has said he does not feel it is now appropriate for us to pay for a structural engineer (heavily hinting we won't need one) as if Mr Bodge is indeed broke we will get nothing back. He asked us if we realised we might not get any money from him even if he awards us a Judgment, we said we would see about that, but while we had the judgment we could deter him from doing it to someone else.

Judge told us this - Worst case scenario - Mr Bodge shows up and convinces him with evidence of his that he does not owe us money, and no judgment is ordered (but, even if he turns up at the final hearing, he can no longer claim against us) Best case scenario - we will be awarded a judgment for some of the amount.

We have nailed the bastard. We have bloody well got the shit up against the wall, and the media may just find out and wish to be there for the shooting.

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Pavlov · 31/05/2010 13:16

cargirl I am loving being a mum to two. My new little baby is just the best, he is calm and happy, not a huge fan of long sleeps but we can't have everything He and DD adore each other. The loft is fine. It is not perfect, but it gives us the space we needed. DD likes some of the querks as one of them is a weird recess which fits her bed in perfectly with a little table. She is tucked in, with fairy lights and then the beams that stick into the room divide that from the play area. I am putting up some muslin 'curtains' (when I get round to making them) to divide it up properly with fairy lights intwined. We are making use of what we have, and celebrating the oddness, rather than getting worked up by it (well, slowly, i fell less sick and more accepting now when up there). I have made a point of going up to have a 'sleepover' with DD a couple of times, just to make it a happy space.

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CarGirl · 31/05/2010 13:19

That sounds lovely! I'm trying to love the quirks of our home 8 years on - 60's open plan trashed by the previous owners!

Pavlov · 31/05/2010 15:31

ampere i shall link some of the old threads. Yes, we made some major mistakes, including:

  1. A contract that was too vague, if you could call it a contract, did not include timings
  2. We paid more than we formally agreed at various stages, as we were 'threatened' with him pulling out, we should have just done that, let him pull out, instead we were left with no final payment when we fired him, and we paid cash (although had receipts).
  3. We did not get the architect/structural engineer involved together enough, they worked seperately.
  4. We did not get building control in quick enough when there were problems/concerns by us, we trusted him when he said they would just want to interfere. We now know that building control are on our side. There job is to ensure our home stays safe.
  5. We did not fire him sooner.
  6. He was not FMB registered. He should have been.
  7. My DH did not let me loose on him sooner!
  8. We should not have tried to save money by using a 'one man band' we should have used a reputable company as we knew nothing about building work, even though it would have cost a lot more. In fact we would have spent the same after the remedial work was done.
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Pavlov · 31/05/2010 15:36

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BudaisintheZONE · 31/05/2010 15:49

Hi Pavlov! Could have sworn I posted on this thread earlier today!

He sounds like a complete idiot! And is no match for you!

Pavlov · 31/05/2010 15:53

buda alas, he is not really an idiot. He has walked away with thousands of pounds of ours. So he is laughing so some extent. But, not so much with a judgment against his business and no way of shutting it til he pays me .

I just cannot believe that he thought it ok to ignore a court judge and decide he did not need to turn up!

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BudaisintheZONE · 31/05/2010 15:55

That's the bit I meant Pavlov. That and the fact that there is a huge recession on and tradesmen rely on their reputation and word of mouth for a lot of work.

Pavlov · 31/05/2010 20:56

Oh sorry

He will get his 15 mins of fame .

However, if when i win a judgement, i am wondering whether I can put a charge on his home if his home address is his registered business address? Now that would piss him off

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FabIsGoingToGetFit · 31/05/2010 21:01

Well done Pavlov .

I have recently won a small victory and it is a great feeling, isn't it?

Pavlov · 31/05/2010 21:10

I remember you posting I think...yes it is a great feeling as much proof that I was not going mad thinking it was bad, sort of good that I was believed i guess. Did you actually get any money from it? or was a paper only win? I cant remember if you won or if you had

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Pavlov · 31/05/2010 21:12

sorry, i leant to take a sip of much needed wine and my belly pressed the enter button or if you took a loss and walked away, i know someone did that, but also someone who won some money back. Can't remember who was who.

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FabIsGoingToGetFit · 31/05/2010 21:15

I haven't posted about it so not me .

Pavlov · 31/05/2010 21:31

OMG. OMFG.

See, you know I just mentioned a charge on his house. It got me thinking, that if it is an asset, a business address, maybe he has another business at the address as he is trying to shut this one down, I am dubious that he is not working some other way.

So, i typed in his address. And guess what? His address has been on the market for the last almost 3 months. Since just after the court hearing in feb, and since the same time he put in his application for striking his business off!!! And he has lowered the asking price several times!

I am very very tempted to go and view it i might put in an offer. Oh the irony if that were to happen. It does mean though, that there are clearly bigger fish in this mans life than us. I cannot imagine you would sell up for a small fry like us.

Oh how exciting. The very least we could do it visit it with the children

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Pavlov · 31/05/2010 21:32

No onward chain...

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BudaisintheZONE · 01/06/2010 07:47

Interesting! Obv his past misdeeds have come back to bite him on the bum!

jeanjeannie · 01/06/2010 08:55

Now that would be a day out for The Pavlov Family!

Interesting - so he's clearly trying to get rid of any assets then. Any idea if he's married? Only that we know of a bloke who did that but had a string of properties in his wife's name - and several business too!

Sounds like he's got more than the Pavlov's snapping at his heels!

Pavlov · 01/06/2010 09:11

jeanjeanie there is no onward chain, he failed to turn up to court, he has not filed his tax returns. We know he has holidayed in Spain...is that not where all cowboy builders end up? We think he has done a runner.

He does have a wife, miserable looking woman who came with him to court last time (wearing jeans).

Can you tell I don't get out much .

If there are bigger creditors (ie companies, rather than perhaps dodgy people he owes money to) then they are likely to force him into insolvency/liquidation or whatever is it that happens. If that happens he will be required to produce his bank accounts won't he? Either way, he is ensuring that he will not be working around here for a while.

DH says it makes a lot of sense. Maybe he had good intentions to start, but debts got the better of him and he used our money to pay off other people, leaving him without money to do our project, and bluffed it, he was clearly becoming more and more stressed as the project went on, and his mind was not there on the job. He said himself at the end he had no money. I guess he owed a lot of money. DH said it was like he was having some kind of breakdown. And the structural engineer who recommended him was surprised at how he was behaving/quality of work too.

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Pavlov · 01/06/2010 09:42

hehehehe i am naughty. I am going to view it this week

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NoseyNooNoo · 01/06/2010 09:53

You're awful, but in a good way!

jeanjeannie · 01/06/2010 10:47

Fabulous! I'd be there like a shot! Oh do let us know what the decor is like...or any DIY he's done!

FabIsGoingToGetFit · 01/06/2010 12:09

Be careful Pavlov.

Pavlov · 01/06/2010 22:55

fab I am not going. You are right. I wanted to find out if it was a vacant possession, which it is not, and booked the appt while there, in the moment. I did not give my real name either . I personally would go. But, DH does not want to. That is why we make a good team, he is good cop as always

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BudaisintheZONE · 02/06/2010 07:50

I think it sounds like he got in way over his head. Agree he owed money and used yours to pay. Did shoddy work for you as mind not on job. Tbh I think I almost feel sorry for him. I said 'almost'!

Pavlov · 02/06/2010 10:45

buda I said that to DH! I said I would almost feel sorry for him if he had not walked off with thousands of pounds of our money and left us with a hell of a mess which cost thousands more to fix. And he said 'what!!!' i do have a softer side somewhere . But yes, it was 'almost' too

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