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Door that doesn't fit the hole. (long)

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JumpJockey · 10/05/2010 13:53

We're having our back door and living room window replaced, with the new back door going where the old living room window used to be. It was a sash window with quite a wide frame, and on the outside there is a decorative arch of bricks at the top. Total width of the arch is 90cm. It will open outwards into a back passageway between the kitchen wall and the fence between us and the neighbours.

We had a few joiners measure up to make the new door and window, the one we chose has made a door and frame that have been delivered today. Brickie has pointed out that to fit the frame in, he will have to widen the opening by 20cm and that this will mean the frame is right up against the kitchen wall, and there will barely be enough space to open it up without risking it banging against the fence. It will also be 20cm wider than the arch and thus look stupid as there's another window directly above it which is the right size.

Do we have any comeback here? The brickie has worked out that the guy measured the edges of the window frame on the inside, not taking into account that a lot of that was wood extending over the wall, and also ignoring the fact that the opening on the outside is a lot smaller. It took them 5 weeks to do the door in the first place. They're a reputable company, had good reports of their work, so no idea why this has happened.

The new window is also 5 cm too narrow owing to him measuring the inside of that opening, where it's replacing a door. But that's less of a problem. I simply assumed that the chap measuring up, being a professional joiner, knew what he was doing and so didn't question the measurements he gave. The brickie just sighed and said over and over "You always measure the outside, not the inside".

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ConDemNation · 10/05/2010 14:03

Yes! An item has to be suitab;le for its intended purpose, and this clearly isn't.

You need to contact the company right away and let them know it will not fit. It's entirely their responsibility. Have you already paid?

and don't let the brickie touch anything till you have got a frame that fits the existing opening...altering the structure would be ridiculous in this situation.

Windows and doors need to slot straight in.

JumpJockey · 10/05/2010 14:27

I sent a cheque back with the guy who dropped the door off - have got someone supposed to be calling us back to speak to the brickie 10 minutes ago (ahem!). My worry is that they wouldn't be able to make a new one any time soon, we really don't want a board over the opening for weeks especially as we're going away this weekend.

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JumpJockey · 10/05/2010 14:33

Also - is it my fault for not checking the measurements? We checked the height a couple of times because it seemed really high (there's a glazed panel at the top) but didn't think the width would be an issue.

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ConDemNation · 10/05/2010 16:36

It depends who took the measurements and whose responsibility it was - someone came from the company to measure up, right? In which case the fault lies firmly with him.

It's his job!
cancel the cheque, now - it might not have cleared yet.

How did you get on with the person who rang back? Seriously it could cost you a lot if you go with short term getting-rid-of-board option, your house will be devalued if you muck about with the brickwork - it could get very complicated.

simple thing is to get a new frame made, and they need to cover the cost of that.

JumpJockey · 10/05/2010 18:07

Am very relieved to say the joiner sent someone round who looked aghast at the measurements and opening disagreement, have taken away the wrong sized door and frame and will fix it tomorrow, come to fit on Weds. Have stopped the cheque! No suggestion that we will have to pay anything more, and since the guy looked so horrified I'm assuming someone might be in for a bit of a 'telling off'...!

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ConDemNation · 10/05/2010 18:29

Oh fantastic, I am so glad for you! It sounded like someone e;se's monumental cock up, not yours...didn't want you taking the blame!

Hope the new one fits The thing is they obv have a reputation to uphold, it's good you went with a reputable company - this is why, they usually want to sort out stuff if it is wrong.

JumpJockey · 12/05/2010 12:09

Update - we've had a board over the hole in the back wall for two nights. Joiners are bringing door frame today (and reluctant to do that as paint not yet dry) since our bricklayer isn't available after today. They can bring the door but there won't be any glass in it as glazier can't come until tomorrow. We're going away on Friday morning and don't get back til next Weds, electricians come in on Monday to start their part of the work.

Our options are a) I have to take time off work tomorrow at very short notice (not going to be popular), b) dh takes time off work at short notice (not possible, he's got a full surgery booked), c) we leave the house with boards over the door and then go away leaving the house insecure until they bring in a glazier on Monday (utterly unacceptable)

What's the comeback in this situation?! Given that one of us has to take leave, or we have an insecure house, things aren't looking at all good.

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ConDemNation · 13/05/2010 14:16

Oh no - sorry, I missed this yesterday. What a difficult situation.

I think sadly it will be hard to prove your case in order to get anything out of them...when it starts getting into the wider results of the cock up, that's when it's often easier to take it on the chin because it would be even more effort to try and get some redress...iyswim.

How have you managed it today? I hope things have worked out OK.

JumpJockey · 13/05/2010 16:07

The glaziers are here fitting the glass at last - guy arrived without his tool bag first of all

The frame and door did finally arrive yesterday, but because of the delay and being on another job the bricklayer wasn't able to finish so there's still a big gap down one side of the frame.

There's another problem that only became clear once the frame was in place - the sill at the bottom doesn't cover the brickwork let alone stick out to deflect rainwater, meaning water could very well leak into the wall. The guy who came out on Monday measured this space and still managed to get it wrong. We've told them we're not paying until that's sorted, and that we're expecting a discount for the inconvenience and the fact that it still isn't really right - they've added a decorative panel which wasn't in the original drawings.

Sigh!

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