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No EA - Renting your home?

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blinkinblimey · 10/04/2010 21:05

OK my next plan if you've been reading the leaving london thread is to rent our flat out.

Has anyone done this?

  1. How should I best market my property? Apart from gumtree that is..

  2. What things should I do if I want to avoid EA fees both for finding tenants and for managing the property...?

(Is it actually worth the saving?)

Has anyone used an online renting marketplace type site.. not sure if they exist actually...will go and have a look...

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starmucks · 10/04/2010 21:14

DH and I became "reluctant" landlords two years ago and it is a complete pain in the ass so think carefully before you go down this route. If you manage the property yourself make sure you have:

  1. An excellent plumber you can rely on. There is alway something going wrong with boilers, shower heads etc.
  2. You live relatively close by. Unless the building has a porter to let people in.

Personally we've hated the experience and are probably going to sell up before we fall eligible for capital gains.

emsyj · 10/04/2010 21:16

We were tenants through a Gumtree arrangement - we found the flat we lived in on Gumtree and dealt direct with the landlord. It was quite straightforward. The landlord also advertised the property through local agents and apparently you can normally pay a 'finders fee' for them to get you a tenant and vet them, but then manage yourself so no ongoing fees.

We own a property that we rent out and we use an agent on a full management basis. They're useless but we're tied in now, and too lazy to get out of it. BUT we have been very lucky that in 3 and a half years we've only had 2 tenants (one couple for 6 months then a woman with a little girl for the 3 years since) and they have been excellent tenants and really looked after the property. The lady who lives there now keeps it much nicer than we ever did, has decorated etc. The risk you take is obviously that a tenant you find yourself might cause you a lot of headaches. DH has a couple of friends who've been badly stung by tenants who have stolen fixtures and fittings, absconded owing months and months worth of rent etc... The letting agents we use offer an insurance policy as part of their management fee that covers rent and repairs if you get a dodgy tenant. No idea if it is a worthwhile policy as we've never had to rely on it, but we do take a bit of comfort from knowing that it's there.

If I were renting a property out in London, I would be cautious, but I am cautious by nature. Our landlord lived on the premises (we rented the basement flat of a large house and he and his family lived in the rest of the house) so he would have known about it pretty fast if we had been destroying the place - plus we employed his cleaning lady so she would no doubt have reported back if we were wrecking anything!!! If you will be living out of the area, I would probably pay a letting agent otherwise it's a drag if you need to get things fixed or if the tenant locks themselves out etc. But if you don't mind taking the risk and doing a bit of work then I would try Gumtree.

blinkinblimey · 10/04/2010 23:43

Some good points I hadn't thought of!

I would really like to avoid the ea fees... Credit checks and special insurance need sorting then.

Er capital gains tax... I'm clueless about this. Best go look this up too. If we did rent our flat out it's purpose is to rent another, more suitable place to live, but I I don't spose capital gains takes that into consideration..?

I guess it's safest to try to rent to a friend of a friend...

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starmucks · 11/04/2010 19:44

Capital gains kicks in if you sell after three years, or any time you sell after you have purchased another house which becomes your principal residence.

Another point which deserves serious consideration is if you have a mortgage on that property, and what you do with it. We moved to a "consent to let" for the rest of the fixed rate period and then moved onto the SVR. This is fine for the moment but when we started looking at fixing it, it obviously had to be a buy to let mortgage. The current terms on these are considerably more punative than a residential mortgage with many requiring arrange fees of up to 3% of the mortgages value. If your going to re-fix every 3 years, its going to be costly.

Also, if you rent out your property without notifying your mortgage, in some instances this constitutes a breach of contract and they can call in the outstaning amount immediately. Read the small print before you do anything.

And finally, you'll have pay tax on any ammount of profit you make. But there are lots of offsets, such as mortgage interest and maintenance one the tenants are in.

Obviously, if you don't have a mortgage you have a lot less to think about.

blinkinblimey · 11/04/2010 21:59

Brilliant advice - thank you so much starmucks!

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HerHonesty · 12/04/2010 20:01

also bear in mind type of flat - we have two flats in london, have been renting out both since 2001. One flat is a lovely converted terrace on a pedestrianised street and we rent it out through gumtree no problem, good rent ete, usually first person that sees it takes it.

the other is a two bed modern flat and gumtree has been a bit of a nightmare in this scenario - v different quality of tenant. a two or more bedroom on gumtree = antipodeans trying to cram as many people as possible into the flat, so more wear and tear etc. we were showing about 10 people round before we found someone suitable - last year we threw in the towel and used an estate agent (negotiated to 9% of rent) who found us excellent tenants within a week of us commissioning them. it sucks paying 9% but removing the hastle factor (esp as we are out of london with baby!) is worth it.

average tenancy has been 2-3 years.

blinkinblimey · 13/04/2010 08:53

Excellent point her honesty!

Can I ask how you did credit checks?? Do you get to see evidence from checking companies? Must admit I'm tempted to do my own research on facebook etc!

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HerHonesty · 13/04/2010 20:04

we always get ref from previous landlord and letter from employer stating they are in full time, permanent employment.

bibbitybobbityhat · 13/04/2010 20:05

It is 100x more complicated to let a property than sell one, so do be very careful. I think agents really do earn their money in this area, tbh.

auntieB · 14/04/2010 11:00

Tried letting out flat via GumTree; only interested tenants were DSS so went back to using EA. You should be able to neg. their fees, we got them down to 7% and now I see alot of Ads for fees as low as 5%

lalalonglegs · 14/04/2010 13:25

I let out flats privately - it is a hassle but we do live reasonably close to all of them which makes a difference and I also (now) know of some reasonably tradespeople when things go wrong.

In my experience, agents really were money for old rope - getting credit checks is quite straightforward (just google tenancy credit checks - some companies will also offer landlord insurance based on the results of the credit checks) and then, as someone else said, references from previous landlord and employer. Get yourself a very good contract drawn up (we adapted one from an estate agency that we had used in the past) and you're good to go. (Make sure your buildings insurance allows for tenants as well as mortgage and you also need an energy cert these days as well.)

auntieB · 14/04/2010 16:03

I know plenty of people able to do an Energy Performance Certificate; just let me know when you're ready and which area you are in.

blinkinblimey · 14/04/2010 22:27

Some great points thank you!
So.... How do you get tenants then? If not gumtree...? Are there any decent private rental websites?

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lalalonglegs · 15/04/2010 16:40

I do use gumtree and haven't had a problem with DSS enquiries. I live in London and the rental market is pretty buoyant at the moment. There is also moveflat.co.uk and spareroom.co.uk (which does let you advertise whole properties, not just single rooms). They've all been really useful.

Feelingsensitive · 16/04/2010 13:12

Very long - sorry I havent read all the answers so please excuse if I am repeating anything. DH and I have been renting a flat out for 5 years. We now go though an agent to find tenants as its a pain having to show people round now we have the DCs. Before that we always advertsied ourselves. Where you advertise will depend on your market. In our case our flat is a 2 bed so attracts young professional sharers. In our part of London we have lots of South Africans/Austrlaians/Polish so Gumtree has worked well for us. You could also try Loot but never had any success. You may also find a local newsagent that attracts lots of adverts for flats (there is one where we are). Our flat is in a nice part of London but due to the position of the flat we attract the lowerish end of the rental market. If I had a plush flat in a good area I would rather go through an estate agent than gumtree as you are more likely to attract a 'better' tenant. By that I mean, people looking for flats on gumtree are in my experience on lower budgets than people using agents. Fine for us but may not be fine for you.

If you do decide to go through an agent do remember you can put the fee against your income tax bill. You can also negotiate the fee and play agents against each other. I have my favoured agents (The one with the minis is best avoided ) but never just go back to them. I always get 3 rental assessments at the beginning of each tenancy and negotiate hard.Finders fees can be as low as 4% + VAT. Bear in mind they will want their fees up front and they are calculated on the annual rent. They normally remove it from the first months rent. They also charge you for everything they can like contracts and inventory. I have always done the inventory myself and get my own contracts online from Residential Landlord.com (Very useful website for legislation and detailing your responsibilities).Just had a thought about your advert - If you don't want animals/children/people on housing benefit or students make sure you say so in your ad other wise you will get loads on e-amils/calls that you could ahve filtered out. Not sure if you are going to declare to your mortgage company (if you have one) but if you do they may have a criterias of people who can rent your property. For exmaple, we have a buy to let mortage and cannot rent ot people on housing benefit.

Sorry, I really am going on but its all springing to mind now. Right. so lets say you've gone it alone and advertised. Shown people round etc and now have people to move in. I would strongly recommed you carry out reference checks. I have used a company called rentchecks but there are loads. We charge prospective tenants for this (Its about £30). If they were to go through an agent it would cost much more than this. We ask for cleared funds and then carry out the checks online. They take a few days and give a risk rating of that person. We then personally call paresen landlords as well. You can get insurance to pay the rent if your tenants don't but it is quite ££. If you are going to go down this route then make sure you speak to the insurance company first as they may only accept reference checks from certain companies.

Your property needs to comply to certain regulations. You need a Energy Performance Certificate- at least you do if you are going through an agent you would have to check if you are doing it yourself. You will need a gas safety certificate for your boiler and gas appliances, all electrical items should be checked by an electrican, not sure about the legislation for electrics as ours is newly rewired anyway so check that out, all furniture should comply with fire regulations (most do anyway) and you need to provide smoke alarms.

You should provide an assured shorthold tenancy agreement and I would recommmed you put a six month break clause so you or your tenants can leaves/ask to leave the flat after 6 months. You should familiraise your self with your contract and what you should do if you need to ask someone to leave. To be frank, if someone doesnt pay its very difficult to get them out and the legal system is very much on their side in my opinion.

Always take a deposit. We take 6 weeks instead of just a month as then you have money for any missed rent (tenants tend to try and not pay the last months rent!) plus a little for any repairs. You must hold the deposit in a government scheme. If you don't you can be fined up to 3 x the depoit amount. Ours is held for free with the deposit protection scheme (just google) and has rules about how long you ahve to transfer the money after receipt etc.

Make sure you have a list of trusted tradesman. you will almost certainly need it.

I do think you can go without an EA and if you live near by I see no benefit to them managing the property but they can be useful in getting a tenant in. If they find someone make sure you meet them before any checks are done. I find my instincts can be very useful in filtering out any potential probelms. When you are working out whether its worth doing from a financial point of view do not forget to add in the cost of repairs and maintenance. We spend far more on the flat than out house in keeping it in order!

Once they are in make sure you carry our a property check about 6 weeks after they move iin and at least every 3 months thereafter. Almost all of our tenants have had people living there who shoudlnt be. They should not be doing this as it will cause far more wear and tear on your property.

Lastly, before you go ahead check out the market to see if there is much about. Last year the market in our area was dire and as a result we accepted a low rent. This year things ahve turned around. Don't be greedy - its much better to have a tenanted flat on a lower rent than an empty one.

I could go but I will stop now. All I will say is this is not to be taken lightly. It can be hard work.

BooBooChicken · 16/04/2010 19:15

wow, feelingsensitive, that is loads of useful info as we too are thinking of letting out our house. thanks.

Feelingsensitive · 16/04/2010 20:33

I am full of it . I didn't realise I knew so much about it. If I can be of any further help to anyone just ask away.

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