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'Affordable housing'...what kind of people to expect?

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PussinJimmyChoos · 27/01/2010 20:47

DH and I are looking to move house. We quite like the idea of a new build and have been looking at plots etc

One thing we have noticed is that all of these new developments have a certain number of affordable housing houses

What DH and I don't want, is to invest our money in what would be our forever house and then find we have problem with the kind of tennants placed in the affordable housing - from what I have heard and seen on other developments, some of the tennants housed in affordable housing are not ideal neighbours and can be quite disruptive

Before I get jumped on, I am not being a snob. We work hard for our money and its a massive investment that we want to be sure is right for us

OP posts:

expatinscotland · 11/04/2011 14:28

Jan., 2010!

MooMooFarm · 11/04/2011 14:29

Ha! Didn't notice that bit! Didn't know threads were kept that long actually.

tethersegg · 11/04/2011 14:29

And yet, inexplicably, I am arguing on it

ilovecrisps · 11/04/2011 14:34

shouldn't we refuse planning permission for housing that is unaffordable?

expatinscotland · 11/04/2011 14:35

I still stand by my comments, because I know people in well-off areas that have problem neighbours, too. The problem is shared walls.

Let's face it, living around people sucks.

computermouse · 11/04/2011 14:41

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mumblechum1 · 11/04/2011 14:42

We don't have shared walls, but still hear next door's daughter making some bloodcurdling shrieks from 30 feet away, through double glazing . She really does sound like the little girl on the exorcist but VERY VERY LOUDLY

greentown · 11/04/2011 15:12

tethersegg - as you work in housing, what do you consider to be the key differences betwen social housing and affordable housing?

tethersegg · 11/04/2011 15:14

Where on earth did you get the idea that I worked in housing?

greentown · 11/04/2011 15:17

greentown, I am a keyworker in social housing.

ha ha ha - apologies - I thought you were saying that in the sense of, "I'm in derivatives, yah."

tethersegg · 11/04/2011 15:19

That sounds better than what I actually do

greentown · 11/04/2011 15:20

So, do you have varying definitions for social and affordable housing?

I'm trying to avoid offering you more opportunities for literalism and consequential sophistry.

tethersegg · 11/04/2011 15:24

"So, do you have varying definitions for social and affordable housing?"

No, I don't. Do you?

It was you who first differentiated between the two, after all.

Insomnia11 · 11/04/2011 15:25

The people that live in the council owned properties on my street are disabled/elderly. I like that there is more of a mix of people than in some parts of the village. It's a lovely, friendly place to live especially for young children. Though there isn't the 'snob' factor that some people look for when buying some of the more pretty cottages and houses...for a lot more money and less space and garden than we have.

greentown · 11/04/2011 15:28

"So, do you have varying definitions for social and affordable housing?"

No, I don't. Do you?

Thank you. That explains why you're being so chippy. Maybe you should read the explanation I gave earlier.

tethersegg · 11/04/2011 15:33

greentown, you are obviously having different argument to me.

Here is your original comment:

"I think the OP means 'Social Housing' not 'Affordable Housing' so probably no firemen and nurses or other sticks to beat her with."

Was this your 'explanation'?

The only thing I took issue with was your assumption that there were 'probably' no keyworkers in social housing.

I assume you know that Registered Social Landlords let to keyworkers- sometimes almost exclusively?

You are ranting into a void, TBH.

greentown · 11/04/2011 15:58

tethersedge -

I'm not having an argument. I'm not ranting. I'm being misrepresented by you.
Why don't you read a few posts earlier for the explanation and why don't you read what you said before my post?

This is you:

^Affordable housing is mostly let or sold to Keyworkers where I live.

So Nurses, Teachers, Firefighters etc.

In other words, people who probably work a lot harder than you for their money, OP. They just get less of it.^

A bit snide against the OP I think. It also ignores (perhaps deliberately?) the differences between social and affordable housing which you've acknowledged you don't understand anyway - so what's your beef?

tethersegg · 11/04/2011 16:17

I make no apologies for being snide towards the OP. I meant to. Her Op was snide.

"We work hard for our money and its a massive investment that we want to be sure is right for us"

was what provoked my 'hard work' comment.

The OP said 'Affordable housing'. I said 'Affordable housing'

You said- "OP meant social housing, so probably no firemen and nurses"

I said "I am a keyworker in social housing. So are all my neighbours. I'm not sure why you think fireman and nurses don't live in social housing..."

You are the only one who is talking about the difference between affordable and social housing. Whether I fully understand the difference between affordable housing and social housing- which I fully admit I do not, and would be happy, nay eager, to have it explained by you- bears no relevance to the fact that keyworkers can, and do, live in social housing. Which you implied they did not.

Doobydoo · 11/04/2011 16:21

Haven't read much of thread.Find the title makes me ALL Houses should be affordable.I would not want you as my neighbour!

computermouse · 11/04/2011 16:51

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greentown · 11/04/2011 16:59

tethersegg -

understanding the difference between social housing and affordable housing is central to understanding whether you were justified in being snide, or not. So, while pedantry is a undoubtedly a vituous pursuit, it really is more important that you understand what you're being pedantic about.

I also find people using the "I'm a more worthy member of society than anybody else" line, (ie. I'm a teacher, nurse, fireman) tiresome and cheap - and I don't like it when people use it to denigrate the worth of others - as you did with the OP.

Life is short. I've never met a nurse, teacher, policeman, ambulance man (never met a fireman) who didn't choose, and continue to choose, to do their jobs, because they like them.
Lots of people aren't that lucky - they have jobs they hate. They may get paid more, they may get paid less, but they're not as fortunate as those who love their jobs. So, I don't feel sorry for teachers and nurses et al. I think they should be paid their worth, but they're lucky in enjoying what they do.

So your beef amounts to pedantry about something you admit you don't understand.

Essentially, the nub of your argument seems to be:
You are a key worker. You say you live in social housing. You also know some other keyworkers who you say live in social housing.

I said:

""I think the OP means 'Social Housing' not 'Affordable Housing' so probably no firemen and nurses or other sticks to beat her with.""

The use of PROBABLY allows the possibility that some keyworkers live in social housing.

Your statements do not, semantically, mean that ONLY or ALL keyworkers live in social housing.

And, neither does my statement mean that NO keyworkers live in social housing.

And that's what seems to have bugged you.

tethersegg · 11/04/2011 17:12

greentown-

"I also find people using the "I'm a more worthy member of society than anybody else" line, (ie. I'm a teacher, nurse, fireman) tiresome and cheap - and I don't like it when people use it to denigrate the worth of others - as you did with the OP."

At the point I denigrated the OP, I had not said I was keyworker. I used firefighters and nurses as an example. I did not say- and have still not said- I am a nurse or a firefighter.

A Firefighter works harder than me, and harder than most people, TBH. I don't risk my life on a daily basis and have to pull the dead and dying from burning buildings. I have called nobody a hero. That was you, mockingly.

"So your beef amounts to pedantry about something you admit you don't understand."

Hilarious. You want pedantry? Ladies and gentlemen, I give you:

"""I think the OP means 'Social Housing' not 'Affordable Housing' so probably no firemen and nurses or other sticks to beat her with.""

The use of PROBABLY allows the possibility that some keyworkers live in social housing.

Your statements do not, semantically, mean that ONLY or ALL keyworkers live in social housing.

And, neither does my statement mean that NO keyworkers live in social housing.

And that's what seems to have bugged you."

You said that social housing will probably not contain keyworkers. I pointed out that Housing Associations (RSL) house keyworkers, some exclusively. I also quantified this with "where I live", they do. So, leaving aside the very idea that keyworkers could access council provided social housing , you were wrong in your assumption that social housing probably does not contain any keyworkers. Because it does.

"unlike you, I don't think societies heroes (and social workers) live in social housing"

I just threw that one in because I think it's funny.

I'm actually quite enjoying this now. Thanks katieathome for the resurrection

computermouse · 11/04/2011 17:14

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