is it normal to sell your kitchen appliances along wit hyour house?

[olivo]

our house is on the market and we have just put it on with a new estate agent. i nthe detials, it mentions our dishwasher, washer dryer and oven/hob. the oven/hob are fixed in so obviously going nowhere, but the washing machine and dishwasher are free stadning, not integrated so i had assumed they would come with us. is it normal to leave them? it wasnt discussed with the agent at all.

If you don't want to leave them you should contact the estate agent straight away and have them removed from the details.
Most details say something like 'space for dishwasher and washing machine'

Free standing stuff is not normally included.

Things like that are detailed in the fixtures and fitting list when the actual sale progresses, and is entirely up to you if you include them, offer them for extra cash, or take them - but you have to abide by what you tell the solicitors

thanks. Dh is of the opinion that it is not something to quibble over at this stage, as we are desperate to sell. i will make sure, if we do sell, that it is clear on the fittings list what we decide ( will depend on what is where we move andhow good or bad they are! ours are quite good ones !)

does the same thing apply to things like bathroom wall cabinets, wall shelves etc?

Yes, you have to detail everything that could possibly be detached

Olivo - get the agent to amend the property particulars right now if you are not sure whether or not you are going to leave them. It could cause problems later, honestly, buyers can be very funny over these things! Do not leave it til you get to the solicitors fixtures and fittings list.

Wall cabinets and shelves are usually included.

Basic rule - if it is screwed on/down, it stays!

You can ask your solicitor for clarification. But it would generally be considered Bad FOrm to take shelves that are screwed up, yes!

Should say I am in Scotland where the standard offer documnet includes all fixed items unless otherwise specified.

I wouldn't expect you to leave shelves/wall cabinets, we've moved alot recently and have always taken them (as have the people we've moved into)

However I would ask the agent to change the details immediately- they should have asked you.Much easier to change now than lose a sale over it.

(we do always make good the walls that we have removed shelves/cabinets from though, so no holes left. Not sure if that's reguired or just good practice)

thsnk you. i am seeing the agenrt tomoorrow so will mention then. i have to say, i am surprised about wall shelves. we have two sets thst match the other furnture which i hsd hoped to tske with us. we would of course, 'make good' the walls.
i am not prepared to lose a sale over them though.

sorry blowin, x posts! i would expect others to make good if they had taken things.

ok, one final question, would we have to leave the drawers in the bedroom that match the fitted wardrobes?

You'll get a form down the line from the solicitor saying what is staying and what is going. It's a legal document and covers every room. You have to go through every room and complete the form. The vendors get this form. It might make you feel more easy if the estate agent makes it very clear in the house details what is staying and what is not. We were left all the kitchen appliances in this house-dishwasher, microwave, oven, hob, fridge freezer. We didn't want them but they were fitted so we had no choice. We chucked the lot out. It's rather disgusting having to use someone else's filthy oven, smelly dishwasher etc. Yuk.

thanks christie. i agree about not wanting someone elses things,they might be grim, or just about on their last legs. ours are neither, that's why i want to take them with me!

I'd take them if you want them. We have had six houses and found that we simply don't want other people's old stuff. The kitchen appliances in this house were all "posh" brands like Neff, but they also hadn't been cleaned since the dawn of time. We're vegetarian and it makes you gag to think of cooking in the fat covered oven with God knows what body fluids spattered all over it. You can take what you want with you just make sure that it's clear to the vendors. It's the same with carpets for us. Disgusting-other people's carpets. Have to have gauntlets on to strip them out. Covered in stains and filthy. Especially carpets around toilets covered with man wee. Maybe you have to consider how hard it is to remove appliances. Would it damage the units?

Definatly get the particulars changed. We had that there was a dishwasher and fridge/freezer in the kitchen in ours. As it happens we intended to leave them so at the time didn't change it. Then the dishwasher broke and wasn't worth fixing. But by this point we had already accepted an offer but not filled in the fixtures and fittings list. So I just put on the fixtures and fitting list that there wasn't a dishwasher at hte property, which by which point was true, it was in the tip. Our buyers picked up on this and wanted £200 off because of no dishwasher. The solicitor successfull argued for us but it was a difficult point.

thanks, i will tell them tomorrow that they are not included in the asking price but can be negotiated. they wouldnt leave any damage if they were removed. shame if we leave them, we have bought both new, good quality makes in the past 18 months. no doubt wherever we move will have crappy ones....

quite like the idea of them being used as a bargaining tool...
but seriously, do people actually take the carpets with them?