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My f**king ex-builder. Part 2

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PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 13/11/2009 09:47

I just spoke to a solicitor to discuss a point regarding calling a professional witness/getting a professional report from the council. The guy asked the name of the builder then said there was a conflict of interest as they had involvement in a case with him 3 years ago (2006) regarding a building dispute. Obviously not able to go into any details, or whether they represented him or other party (presume him if conflict of interest), but he said 'much as I would like to help, I feel we would not be able to involve ourselves, I am very sorry' and then recommended two colleagues from other firms to advise me.

Oh dear. So not only was he crap, but he has a reputation there. Or, am I being unfair in presuming he was at fault that time? Is he just unfortunate? A coincidence.

We may well have to actually get a formal solicitor involved to repreesent us now I think. I think its not just a case of this guy being a bit crap at his job. I actually am concerned he might do some damage to a property so serious he could hurt some-one or damage their property beyond repair/to the tune of 10s of K. I actually think he needs something more serious done. I wish I knew what.

Solicitor said we would be looking at hundreds of pounds for representation, before he realised who the builder was, but would need to meet to discuss so could not put a formal figure on this.

We will not get any money bac from him even if/when we win as he has none, we are certain of that, so any money we spend will be dead money. But it would be worth it wouldn't it?

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PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 16/11/2009 14:25

racmac thank you. The report is from the structural engineer who was working for both of us, was recommended to us by the builder and works with the builder on other projects (or did) so i could argue he is independent. He has nothing to gain/lose by writing a report for us rather than the builder, other than it being the true account. Right down to the fact he has not charged so there is no financial incentive for him to write us the report. I shall argue that point. An independent report would be no more impartial imo.

I shall keep you posted, and thanks for your offer of help, might take you up on that!

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PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 16/11/2009 14:31

Oh and the report we have does already state the SEs formal qualifications, his business name and credentials so to speak. So hopefully that will be impressive to the judge.

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racmac · 17/11/2009 11:03

Sounds good to me - try and consider the arguments that the builder may make not to use him and be ready with your counter arguments

jeanjeannie · 17/11/2009 21:44

OMG - Pavlov! I so didn't want to hear that he was this rotten

The forming of a Ltd does sound very suspicious. Did you write cheques to this or to him personally? Only that I've had/have a Ltd company and I think that there may be something in that. In other words, if you didn't originally hire him as an Ltd company then you take just him to court. I imagine he did it more to rip off suppliers. Probably got trade accounts....got the stuff....sold it....never paid and then got clients to pay for the goods upfront. Easy scam Some also register for VAT and do the VAT scam too.

Sorry, I've got zero experience or advice of a legal nature...but I reckon if you're getting no help...then do it yourself. Builders ARE sued/jailed for wilful damage. I can't discuss it here but I do know of a builder jailed for a house he wrecked. So it's always worth a try.

Good luck x

almostreal · 17/11/2009 22:19

Hi Pavlov just quick skimmed over apologies if I'm repeating what others might have said. DH is a designer he says it's pointless going after the builder ( he will fold his business it's probably what he usually does) but if the Architect recommended him and your property has been left in a dangerous state then you should be suing the Architect.

nikiw · 18/11/2009 19:18

Hi Pavlov - no sign of baby yet or have i missed something?? Just had a quick read of your part 2! We have had no luck with our builder so decided to email local press and tv stations. Tomorrow morning we have BBC Radio Solent coming to do a bit about our building disaster and later on in the day we have BBC South Today coming to do a story about the nightmare builder from hells work. We may still try to take him to court ourselves but I believe if we do this he will just declare himself bankrupt. Funnily enough this evening the builder called my husband - after weeks of not answering our calls (his call went to answerphone). He has told both radio and tv that we owe him money!! First we have heard of this. Not looking forward to the media coverage - but why should this man get away with it - if we can prevent him ruining the lives of one other family then it will be worth it. And hopefully all this media attention has really annoyed him - result!

PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 18/11/2009 20:03

Blimey nikiw good for you! I hope he gets absolutely rotten coverage. Doe not matter what he says about you, you are not going to be needing more work from it, but if this rings bells with others, they will know you don't owe him anything, and also, people will think twice regardless of what he says, they won't want to take the chance. I really hope it gives something positive for you.

jean you know it makes a lot of sense. By the end of the project, he was buying things from B&Q, and we wondered whether it was because he owed trade accounts money and they refused to give him more until he paid up. There was also some trouble with the stairs being ordered twice as the first lot was wrong and it always felt a bit dodgy to us, and refused to let me call the company and chase it. Makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, we wrote the cheques to his company name, not him

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PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 18/11/2009 20:04

Oh and niki baby is imminent. Might even be in early labour as we speak

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fanjolina · 19/11/2009 19:01

ooh Pavlov! Maybe baby is here already?!

PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 19/11/2009 19:03

fanjolina no he is teasing me! I am/i am not/i am/i am not. currently, i am not is the in thing!

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fanjolina · 19/11/2009 19:56

Come out baby Pavlov! Stop teasing.

rebl · 20/11/2009 15:41

Come on baby pavlov.

PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 20/11/2009 20:14

He is still teasing

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PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 04/12/2009 12:25

Ladies - i have had my baby - most of you probably know that by now though! But baby Reuben is here, asleep on my lap. YEY!

I just thought I would post, mainly as I feel quite pleased, with some information i had today.

The old apprentice came around today to 'drop some keys off' which he found in his car, from our job. And it turns out, he is no longer on speaking terms with the old builder either. He left to take up an apprenticeship elsewhere, and the old builder refused to pay his final wages and said he already paid him. The apprentice said, he left as he could no longer work with the builder, he could not be associated with someone who worked the way he did, and he did not want to have any future reputation tarnished through working for him, so he left. He told the builder he was leaving, but not why, and the builder became very aggressive towards him!

He stopped for a cuppa and looked at some of the shoddy work still left, and he said he was appalled by how he left things with us. He had only done a couple of jobs with him and said he could not understand how he could work this way. He said, he was known for blaming others, and he also owes money to several other building people (plumber, rubish removal guy, plus the electrician we worked with, the stair company) and he appears to have disappeared, no one can contact him. The apprentice went from being paid £250 a week to £100, and did not get the last months pay at all.

Also, interestingly, he said, he lives a lavish lifestyle, on the one hand getting the apprentice to work weekends for free by claiming financial ruin if they did not finish the job, asking for compassion, loyalty and how it would be repayed when work picked up, and then being seen driving a brand new Lexus and a Harley Davidson, goes on foreign holidays, and regular trips away. He said, the builder would take him to 'jobs' to give us the impression he had other work, and use the time to try to emotionally blackmail him to not leave, and that his last job he ripped the guy off as he wanted more work done so he charged him a fortune and got heavy handed when he did not pay up.

Oh, and he does not have a brother. So the story of his brother being sick in hospital was made up. Which we already knew, but interesting to hear it confirmed.

So, this guy is not just a cowboy, but a rip off crook. And, seeing as I am going to be a full time mummy for a few months and will need to keep my brain occupied, I shall be making it my mission to get this money back from him, and maybe even seeing if he has broken some laws in the process. Lets hope so.

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FabIsVeryHappy · 04/12/2009 12:27

Flipping heck!

Good luck with that Pavlov.

PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 04/12/2009 12:34

fab i like a challenge!

And it really upsets me that someone could be like this, and might be continuing like this, that at this very moment he could be ripping off someone else (probably is). What if it is someone who won't be able to recoup their money in their lifetime, ie an elderly person, or another vulnerable person? We were about to have a new baby and he was happy to leave us in complete chaos with thousands to pay to get it fixed. So he could easily do it to someone who really is vulnerable, without giving a toss. We were lucky that while it had broken us financially to do it, we could do it, and while it took all our savings and equity to have a shoddy job done, we are young enough to earn more money in the future and learn from this. Some one else might not.

He cannot get away with it. It is wrong.

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Pannacotta · 04/12/2009 12:50

Crikey Pavlov your story puts me right off getting builders in, which we really need to do as we are living in a bit of pit...

Congrats on your baby and do try and enjoy him if you can. While I agree it would be good to try and re-coup some costs and discredit this coyboy "builder", hope you wont let it spoil your enjoyment of your DS's first few months, which is a very special time.
Lecture over and well done for getting through it...

PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 04/12/2009 13:02

pannacotta tbh the stress of it all has now passed, and it is more of a'project' to pass my time , i promise it won't stop me enjoying my baby, he is my priority with dd and dh.

Din't let this put you off, you can learn from our mistakes

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rebl · 04/12/2009 13:46

Congratulations Pavlov on the birth of Reuben . Sounds like you are going to take him for whatever you can and rightly so. I hate to think that other people are out there getting ripped off by him.

PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 04/12/2009 13:53

rebl exactly. I want my money back and i want his name dragged through the mud.

Mistakes, they happen. These were not mistakes. They were deliberate deceipt with the sole intention to rip us off.

Not sure how much a Lexus costs, but i am sure our loft conversion would contribute nicely to the price.

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jeanjeannie · 04/12/2009 20:29

WOW! Oooo, that's sounds like you're really fired up! Congrats on the lovely Reuben btw-but don't let a lovely newborn stand in the way of tracking down this Lexus-owning, emotional blackmailing, no remorse cowboy..... and busting his balls

If you can stop him now...then others won't have to go through what you did. This vandal should be behind bars. Oh - I hope you got your boiler sorted

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