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Problem selling leasehold flat due to ground rent

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Flooo · 30/03/2025 12:06

Selling problems with leasehold flat

So I am in the process of selling my flat. We were told we were likely to exchange by mid April but yesterday found out my buyers lender are now refusing to lend because the ground rent will not be capped at £250. It’s currently £300 and has been since I purchased in 2021 - I don’t remember it being a problem then.
My solicitor has asked the freeholder for a deed of variation but says the only way around this is to extend my lease, which I’m led to believe will cost £10k+.
Has anyone else experienced this? I’m feeling like our plans to move are rapidly disappearing!

For reference (it’s a long one) this is the email received from the freeholder:

Dear Sirs,

Thank you for your email.

We are aware of the technical issue with ground rent in excess of £250 p/a and Schedule 2 of the Housing Act 1988. We do not accept that the issue is of real significance or acts as a bar to sale or lending if the protections available to the lender are properly explained.

Irrespective of whether the lease requires service of a Notice seeking Possession or advance notice before proceedings are issued on a lender, the lender is always entitled to be served with possession proceedings under Practice Direction 55A of the CPR 1998, and can at any time avoid mandatory possession by paying the outstanding ground rent into Court or to the Landlord under Section 138 of the County Courts Act 1984.

We do not see any realistic likelihood of Landlords using the Housing Act possession route instead of standard forfeiture to enforce rent arrears given the clear advantages of the latter, including recovery of costs. This is borne out by the lack of examples of such cases in the residential long leasehold sector to date. Furthermore, we have specific instructions from our client landlord not to pursue this type of possession proceedings.

Furthermore, The Renters (Reform) Bill, currently being debated in the Houses of Parliament would, if passed, prevent a tenancy of more than 7 years from being an assured tenancy.

We are of the view that there is no risk to a lender and that this point should not act as a bar to sale or lending. We therefore believe that any variation would be a waste of time and money and is not necessary.

As a reasonable landlord, and on the specific understanding that we do not believe this to be necessary, should you maintain that a variation is required, our client will offer to insert the following into the lease by way of variation:
The Landlord hereby confirms that it will not seek possession of the [property*] on the basis that this lease has created an Assured Tenancy under any of the grounds set out in Schedule 2 to the Housing Act 1988.

We are also able to insert:

Mortgagee Protection Clause

[Insert new sub-clause at the end of the landlord’s re-entry clause and renumber accordingly]
Before commencing any proceedings for forfeiture of this Lease, the Landlord shall:

Give notice of the breach to any mortgagee of this Lease of whom the Landlord has received notice pursuant to clause [[1] ]; and

If the mortgagee confirms in writing to the Landlord within 14 days of the notice that it wishes to remedy the breach, allow the mortgagee 28 days (or in the case of non-monetary breach only, such longer time as the Landlord may decide at its sole discretion) to remedy the breach.

In order to proceed with this, we will require:
Freehold OCE;
Leasehold OCE.

The fees payable will be HomeGround’s fee of £325 and our solicitor’s fee of £600 + VAT.

This is payable by undertaking to our solicitors upon completion and subject to increase should matters become protracted. Please do not attempt to make direct payment.

Once we have been provided the abovementioned documents, we will instruct our solicitors to contact you directly for a fees undertaking.

This offer is subject to contract and without prejudice.

Matters of this type typically take 4-6 weeks to complete from the date of instruction.

Please let us know how you wish to proceed.

OP posts:
PrincessofWells · 30/03/2025 16:12

Hi, this is a standard variation clause and should satisfy your mortgage lender. Doesn't it?

MinnieMountain · 31/03/2025 06:17

Are you outside London?
Does your ground rent increase at all?
When did the lease start?

Some lenders can be picky and won’t just accept a mortgagee protection clause.

Flooo · 31/03/2025 09:16

PrincessofWells · 30/03/2025 16:12

Hi, this is a standard variation clause and should satisfy your mortgage lender. Doesn't it?

Apparently it does not satisfy my buyers lender at all and my solicitor thinks I need to extend my lease

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PrincessofWells · 31/03/2025 09:28

Is there a doubling ground rent clause at all or a mechanism for ground rent increase?

MinnieMountain · 31/03/2025 11:06

You haven’t answered any of my questions OP. Maybe your buyer just has a particularly fussy lender.

Flooo · 31/03/2025 17:29

MinnieMountain · 31/03/2025 11:06

You haven’t answered any of my questions OP. Maybe your buyer just has a particularly fussy lender.

Sorry, I hadn’t replied just yet.
we are outside London, our GR is set to double in 2038, the lease started in 2009 and we have 100+ years left.
My solicitor told me nearly all lenders decline mortgages for properties where GR is over £250 PA but I’ve read so much information and it’s all different

OP posts:
MinnieMountain · 31/03/2025 19:03

It’s a complicated area.

This list covers what most lenders accept
lendershandbook.ukfinance.org.uk/lenders-handbook/englandandwales/question-list/1852/

PrincessofWells · 31/03/2025 23:50

Are you sure it's not the doubling ground rent clause that's the problem and that you have misunderstood? My experience tells me the clauses they are suggesting will satisfy mortgage lenders re the Housing Act issue, but very few lenders if any will lend on doubling ground rent.

I think you need to go back and query this with your own solicitor to clarify.

MalcolmMoo · 01/04/2025 07:25

We’ve just completed on a house. The lenders wanted a deed of variation in relation to the estate charge on our sale. This took weeks of faffing. In the end I asked if we could do indemnity instead? Accepted and sorted in a day! May be worth asking the question.

MinnieMountain · 01/04/2025 07:58

Hmm. I can see why your solicitor advised a lease extension then OP. The ground rent doubling every 19 years is unacceptable to the majority of lenders now.

Btw the freeholder is talking bollocks expecting you to rely on an Act that hasn’t come into force yet.

@MalcolmMoo an indemnity policy on estate charges is different.

MargoLivebetter · 01/04/2025 10:39

I had this very issue and arranged a deed of variation. Who built the flats originally @Flooo ? Mine was built by Taylor Wimpy and they offered a scheme whereby they would contribute partly to the cost of the deed of variation.

There are lots of lenders who will not grant a mortgage on doubling ground rent, because it becomes unaffordable very quickly.

With regard to the mortgage protection clause, I had to pay for indemnity insurance to cover the very unlikely eventuality that the freeholder took possession of the flat if my buyer didn't pay their mortgage. It really ticked me off, as it was about £300, but there we are!

Angelwithhalo · 01/04/2025 13:20

I had similar when selling my leasehold flat a couple of years ago (in London). Ground went was £350 but would escalate to £1500 within the next 30 years and my buyers lender (HSBC I think) wouldn’t lend on this. I had to get a statutory lease extension which cost £17000 including all of my solicitor fees and the freeholders solicitor fees. I was able to get £12,000 of this in compensation for negligence from the solicitors who acted for me when I bought in 2018 as they hadn’t picked this issue up back then but it was a lengthy process to get the compensation. The whole process added about 10 weeks to the sale time and the freeholder was very responsive.

Flooo · 02/04/2025 08:07

PrincessofWells · 31/03/2025 23:50

Are you sure it's not the doubling ground rent clause that's the problem and that you have misunderstood? My experience tells me the clauses they are suggesting will satisfy mortgage lenders re the Housing Act issue, but very few lenders if any will lend on doubling ground rent.

I think you need to go back and query this with your own solicitor to clarify.

so this is one of the emails from my solicitor:

Unfortunately the buyers lender has advised they will not lend to the buyer unless the ground rent is capped at £250 per annum. I further understand it has taken so long for them to respond due to internal reviews of the lenders risks regarding loans on leasehold property. So we could not have known this outcome previously. The Landlord has previously said they will not amend the ground rent. I have sent them the attached email and I will let you know as soon as they respond.

You will note that the email also refers to a lease extension which may be the only alternative to reduce the ground rent.

Either way I expect this is going to take a few more weeks until we know for certain whether the buyer can proceed.

I fully appreciate this is yet more disappointment for you

it all seems to be due to this £250 cap. I haven’t been able to speak with my solicitor yet this week - I’m hoping now the 1st of April has passed I will be able to.

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Flooo · 02/04/2025 08:09

Angelwithhalo · 01/04/2025 13:20

I had similar when selling my leasehold flat a couple of years ago (in London). Ground went was £350 but would escalate to £1500 within the next 30 years and my buyers lender (HSBC I think) wouldn’t lend on this. I had to get a statutory lease extension which cost £17000 including all of my solicitor fees and the freeholders solicitor fees. I was able to get £12,000 of this in compensation for negligence from the solicitors who acted for me when I bought in 2018 as they hadn’t picked this issue up back then but it was a lengthy process to get the compensation. The whole process added about 10 weeks to the sale time and the freeholder was very responsive.

This is super interesting because I bought my flat in 2021 and was never made aware of any potential issues with the ground rent.

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MargoLivebetter · 02/04/2025 08:18

@Flooo I didn't get compensation from the solicitor who did my conveyancing and failed to spot the doubling ground rent but I did get the deed of variation done for free.

LifeBeginsToday · 02/04/2025 08:31

I had this very issue too. £200 ground rent, doubling every 33 years. It also cost me a sale and cost £15,000 to extend the lease.

When a ground rent doubles you have to pay compensation to the freeholder when extending the lease for the loss of that rent.

PrincessofWells · 02/04/2025 08:45

No, Op, it's the doubling ground rent that's the problem is what I get from that email.

There's a lot going on in the background re this issue. Do some background reading so you understand the issue better - who built the property? Who is the freeholder? Who is the management company?

PrincessofWells · 02/04/2025 08:48

Your original conveyancing solicitor was negligent in not advising you about this clause. You should make a formal complaint - they need to solve this problem .

TheTwenties · 02/04/2025 09:06

When purchasing a leasehold flat in 2023 we had been told ground rent had been amended to a peppercorn rental. I was somewhat confused when a query came back from our solicitor stating potential issues with ground rent moving forward. I can’t remember the exact details but a deed of variation to the lease was carried out at the same time as the sale because it would have taken too long for them to do the variation first. Extending the lease was never mentioned as an option, I’m not sure how extending a lease helps with a ground rent issue. We now don’t have any ground rent so if we come to sell that won’t be an issue. We weren’t taking out a mortgage and our solicitor still raised the possible GR issues with us.

PrincessofWells · 02/04/2025 15:13

TheTwenties · 02/04/2025 09:06

When purchasing a leasehold flat in 2023 we had been told ground rent had been amended to a peppercorn rental. I was somewhat confused when a query came back from our solicitor stating potential issues with ground rent moving forward. I can’t remember the exact details but a deed of variation to the lease was carried out at the same time as the sale because it would have taken too long for them to do the variation first. Extending the lease was never mentioned as an option, I’m not sure how extending a lease helps with a ground rent issue. We now don’t have any ground rent so if we come to sell that won’t be an issue. We weren’t taking out a mortgage and our solicitor still raised the possible GR issues with us.

Extending the lease is an alternative to a Deed of Variation to get rid of the doubling rent clause. It involves extending the length of the lease and compensating the freeholder by payment, as part of that the ground rent is reduced to a peppercorn rent. If the freeholder refuses a Deed of Variation, this is a statutory method of getting rid of a doubling rent clause (statutory as in laid out in legislation).

Flooo · 02/04/2025 17:02

PrincessofWells · 02/04/2025 08:45

No, Op, it's the doubling ground rent that's the problem is what I get from that email.

There's a lot going on in the background re this issue. Do some background reading so you understand the issue better - who built the property? Who is the freeholder? Who is the management company?

Edited

Hi, yes I have been trying to read up to understand more but a lot of it is going over my head! But the doubling of ground rent issue does make sense.
Our freeholder is Homeground and our management companies are PMS and Block management.

I think I will definitely speak with the solicitor I used when purchasing this property as it was never flagged to me at all

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Flooo · 02/04/2025 17:05

MargoLivebetter · 01/04/2025 10:39

I had this very issue and arranged a deed of variation. Who built the flats originally @Flooo ? Mine was built by Taylor Wimpy and they offered a scheme whereby they would contribute partly to the cost of the deed of variation.

There are lots of lenders who will not grant a mortgage on doubling ground rent, because it becomes unaffordable very quickly.

With regard to the mortgage protection clause, I had to pay for indemnity insurance to cover the very unlikely eventuality that the freeholder took possession of the flat if my buyer didn't pay their mortgage. It really ticked me off, as it was about £300, but there we are!

Thanks for that it’s really helpful.
Did you approach Taylor Wimpy yourself or was this done via your solicitor?

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MargoLivebetter · 02/04/2025 21:02

When my issue first cropped up, there was no scheme with Taylor Wimpy. I complained to the firm that didn’t identify the issue when they did the conveyancing. As a result of the complaint, they agreed to arrange a deed of variation to the lease. They changed the ground rent to increase by the rate of inflation every 10 years, rather than double.

A few years later Taylor Wimpy put their scheme in place and contacted leaseholders in my development. I took that up myself and that changed the ground rent to peppercorn in perpetuity. Taylor Wimpy paid 75% of the legal fees.

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