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Can I please just rant about the process of finding a &!%£("&$* builder?

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mummabubs · 17/02/2025 13:47

We hoped to get an extension to our kitchen back in 2021 (6m x 3m) so went through this whole process then, but costs were so high that we decided to wait and see if prices came down again after the pandemic. Four years later and prices have not come down at all, so here we are back where we started! We have the architect drawings already and have been on the road to get builder quotes for three weeks now, and already I'm absolutely sick of the process. We've made enquiries with six builders (four solo companies, two as part of property development companies... all recommended to us by friends/neighbours so I hoped it would be a smooth journey). All booked a day and time (not a time range) for coming out to quote us.

Builder 1 - I messaged an hour after he was due to be here. (By this point my three year old had already eaten the bribery snack that was meant to entertain her and lost interest in the distraction box aka the TV). Builder 1 eventually replied to say he'd completely forgotten but would come over immediately, he's "10 minutes away". Fifteen minutes later he messages to say he is leaving now, so I replied saying I didn't think he should come anymore as I have to leave the house in 25 minutes time to collect my son from school. Irony being he didn't see that message as he was driving. So he arrived, was there for about 5 minutes. Didn't ask a single Q, just took a photo of the site and then asked me to send him the architect drawings (which I had already done when he originally asked for them a week beforehand so he clearly hadn't looked a them). He then said he'll get a quote out to me in "about 3 weeks".

Builder 2 - Messaged me 30 minutes after he was due to get there saying he was running a little late (at least he messaged!) Was impressed with him when he was here and felt reassured. He said he'd get a quote out to us in "2-3 days". It's now been 2 weeks and he keeps saying a new date we'll get the quote on and then that date passes and he delays by another few days. My confidence is not holding out for this one.

Builder 3 - Finally a positive experience. Arrived on time, had clearly looked at the drawings, researched the area and even came with a suggestion to save us money on the exterior and give a more durable finish. I really liked him and his approach. He got a comprehensive quote to us within 48 hours (as he said he would). His quote total is £72,000. Which I'm genuinely not sure we can afford as we also need to fund the new kitchen, so I'm bloody crestfallen.

Builder 4 - Turned up broadly on time, asked Qs. At the end of the visit I asked roughly when we could expect to get the quote, at which point they said we would get the quote within two weeks of us paying the £300 (yes, £300) fee for a quotation. Nowhere on the website, or in the three email exchanges I had with the company before the visit did anyone mention a fee for quoting. They then tried to justify it by saying they go above and beyond and for that fee provide a 54 page document breaking down the build and costings. I don't want a bloody 54 page document, when do they envisage I'd have time to read it?! I just want a quote! At that point I had a bit of a sense of humour failure and asked (told) them to leave and said they'd completely wasted my time.

We have two more builders booked in over the next 2 weeks but I'm already dreading it. I've currently spent about 6 hours of my life either waiting for builders to show up, having the same conversation and then just waiting for anyone to actually send a quote, all while trying to entertain two young children who are bored. In my job I have appointments every day and if I was routinely late I'd receive an absolute bollocking. Also, if a builder doesn't want the job I'm not going to be mortally offended if they just say that. What drives me nuts is the dance of "yeah sorry will have a quote out to you asap ... in 2 days... by Sunday ... early next week at the latest". By this point I don't even want to consider them for the job but just want the quote amount so that I can benchmark it against any other quotes!

In my dreamland Builder 3 contacts me to say he's realised some fantastic cost savings we can make and can now do the build for 50k, but this seems somewhat unrealistic. And deep down I know that this is just the beginning of the stress that is renovation / extensions! Please someone tell me it gets better!!

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mummabubs · 18/02/2025 18:14

@roselilylavender Your experience just reminds me of so many experiences we've had of tradespeople in the three years we've lived in our do-er upper! We have had one or two positive experiences... But also a million no shows, shows that then never get back to you (even to decline the work), and a million different reasons to leave before completing a job. We've had:

  • An electrician who "forgot" about his holiday abroad so left the job half done.
  • A plasterer who said his daughter had period pains so he was leaving to get her from school (later found out he didn't have a daughter!)
  • A decorator who quite literally went missing after day 1, leaving all of his tools here for 3 days and only half the wall done. I was genuinely worried for his wellbeing (and our walls!) and he eventually reached out on day 4 to say one of his friends had gone missing so he'd joined the national search to find them.

And I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting! 🤣

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EasterIssland · 18/02/2025 21:48

We are doing a small Reno comparing to yours and the worse is the traders. Many saying they’ll come around and never turn up and we wfh so there is always someone at home so I always say “sure when does it suit you to come”. Then the ones we’ve agree to go with they say they’ll come to check something (you prepare whatever you need for the visit) and then nobody comes. Husband wants to do a future extension and I’m the one putting the foot down cuz I’ve had enough with traders

Portakalkedi · 18/02/2025 22:06

Same for many/most trades in my experience. God knows how they stay in business. If they'd just be upfront and take 30 seconds to say they don't want the job/are too busy or whatever, instead of leaving you to come to that conclusion from the unanswered messages and unreturned calls etc. Twats.

mummabubs · 19/02/2025 23:22

And just to reinforce my point from last time we've had our second quote back (2 weeks late) and it's £42,000. So how on earth are we supposed to work out whether the first quote is really high or this one is suspiciously low? (My guy says the second option but not sure).

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RidingMyBike · 20/02/2025 08:05

Go through the quotes side by side and check that everything has been included. Presumably they're itemised? Have things like waste disposal and hire of a portaloo (if needed) been included? Is the work of other trades included to be organised by the builder (plumber, electrician). Is there an amount allocated/assumed for things like tiles and decorating?

WomanFromTheNorth · 20/02/2025 08:14

Dh is a builder and says that the low one will probably have lots of bits missing that will then be added as they go along.
We have just done our own smallish kitchen extension and dh said it would probably have cost about 90 grand if he hadn't done it himself. Materials alone are shocking at the moment.

mummabubs · 20/02/2025 11:47

WomanFromTheNorth · 20/02/2025 08:14

Dh is a builder and says that the low one will probably have lots of bits missing that will then be added as they go along.
We have just done our own smallish kitchen extension and dh said it would probably have cost about 90 grand if he hadn't done it himself. Materials alone are shocking at the moment.

Thank you for your DH's thoughts, My gut says the same. I have noticed that he hasn't included kitchen fitting and has put an incorrect cladding (timber whereas we want composite which I know will cost more). Access to site also not included, which I know will come with a cost as our house is built into a hill so the kitchen is technically on the first floor. Every component listed in the email he sent just says £0 and then at the end it says "Overall estimation £42,500" so I don't even know how that figure is made up.

It's harder to compare as the first quote is a comprehensive four page document with everything itemised by stage. Whereas the second one came last night at 11pm and he said it's an estimation but if we let him know that we want a "proper" quote he'll give us a detailed quotation. So the £42k seems completely meaningless to me as if it's a broad estimation then that doesn't help us know how accurate it is. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I have given him several opportunities to just say he doesn't want the job but he keeps saying no he does want to quote us, all rather confusing. So it feels like we've waited 2.5 weeks for a quote he said would take 2-3 days and we don't even have a quote at the end of it 🤣🤦🏻‍♀️ (I haven't asked him to provide us with a detailed one as I feel that would be wasting his time given I wouldn't want to go with him given our experience to date).

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snotathing · 20/02/2025 13:37

I wouldn't ask six builders to waste hours of their time doing up quotes when you'll be picking one at most. It's more fair to start with the best one or two and see what their price is like before going to others if no joy.

mummabubs · 20/02/2025 17:42

snotathing · 20/02/2025 13:37

I wouldn't ask six builders to waste hours of their time doing up quotes when you'll be picking one at most. It's more fair to start with the best one or two and see what their price is like before going to others if no joy.

As mentioned, I'm approached six on the advice of others and it's looking like asking 6 builders is only going to actually yield us 3 quotes anyway (Which seems like a reasonable amount of quotes given the cost?) We don't even know what 'the best one or two' are given the shockingly bad experience we've had with 2/3 so far yet they all came recommended! 🤦🏻‍♀️

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