Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Property/DIY

Join our Property forum for renovation, DIY, and house selling advice.

Freezing front room

34 replies

Miriamfriend · 06/01/2025 18:07

I live in a Victorian mid terraced house. It’s one where the front door opens on to the front lounge room. We have put door curtains up and have a draught excluder but it remains inhospitably cold to the point we don’t really use it beyond as a sort of hallway. What can we do to warm it up? The front of the house faces north and open fields so fear improving the radiator might not solve it. Any suggestions?

OP posts:
shellyleppard · 06/01/2025 18:09

@Miriamfriend can you put foil panels behind the radiator so more heat is reflected into the room?? Think you can also get some for the walls

MaxMaxy · 06/01/2025 18:14

Are there any gaps around the door? Or around the windows? Do the radiators give off much heat? Do you have a fireplace/chimney. We had a had a gas fire when we moved to our current house which let in a lot of cold air.

WidgetDigit2022 · 06/01/2025 18:14

Have you tried changing the rubber draft seal on the door? We did that to a previous house and it made a big improvement. Where’s the cold air coming in? The edges? The letter box?

Diversion · 06/01/2025 18:21

Do you have a wooden floor? Are there draughts coming through the floorboards? Is there a bay window (the type with a roof part over the top). If so perhaps insulating this might help. You could remove the plaster and get some insulated board for the front wall, which would then need re-plastering and decorating. Messy and expensive but might help.

Meadowfinch · 06/01/2025 18:22

What is your door made of? A solid wood door is not generally very insulating. You could look for a thermo65 insulated door from a specialist provider.

Have you checked that the front walls are not damp?

Could you build a storm porch so you have an 'air-lock' to keep the cold out?

GasPanic · 06/01/2025 18:38

Is it a double glazed window ? Are the glass panels blown ?

What sort of door do you have and is it highly insulating ?

Looking at the door, what sort of seals do you have on it ? Do you have a "double" letterbox that seals both the front and the back ?

As someone else says do you have a gas fire and if so do you use it ? Maybe consider a chimney sheep if it is unused.

What is beneath the floor ? Is it a cellar ? Maybe there is insufficient insulation between the floor and the cellar below ?

DoloresODonovan · 06/01/2025 19:20

OP this sounds like a house we had, Victorian, bay window, faced north, also
facing fields. The vicious winter wind would hit the house as though it would
sear through into the garden.
We had the floor lined with chipboard? which then covered the huge gap under
the skirting board, cord carpet, then deep pile woollen rugs, as we felt the cold
was coming up from the ground.
The chimney was swept and blocked but we kept an airbrick.

The front wall we lined wth cork, looked really cosy, walls and ceiling cream as its softer than white, sealed the pulley windows and front door properly, with a felt cover over the letter box, hung a very heavy curtain at the door, IKEA blinds at the window then curtains right across the front bay rther than inset, like a tapestry, fire colours, red/orange/gold.
We installed a double radiator on the far wall to replace the tiny single.
We then bought (from BHF furniture shop) a huge deep golden velvet couch,
two cane bergere chairs also with deep feather cushions, cold absorbing
We lined the side wall in floor to ceiling wall to wall (Billy) bookcases, loaded with books and stuff, instant insulation, had huge cushions, wool throws, soft lignting,

we were still cold.

We sold the house on a sunny spring morning to a young couple who immediately installed a woodburner.
We can only assume they are toasty warm.

Hope this helps.

Miriamfriend · 07/01/2025 10:22

Thank you all for your excellent thoughts.
The window is blown, I think. The radiator is performing weakly. The door is wood and the wind whistles all around its edges. So lots of steps I can try based on your good advice. @DoloresODonovan oh gosh!! This is the fear- lots of effort and expense and minimal payoff in terms of heat. Sorry but you did make me laugh! Hope you are toasty in the house you moved too.

OP posts:
HellsBalls · 07/01/2025 10:41

@Miriamfriend is this your house or rented?

Miriamfriend · 07/01/2025 10:44

@HellsBalls it’s mine. Moved in just over a year ago so still trying to understand the house and its quirks

OP posts:
DoloresODonovan · 07/01/2025 12:37

There are bits I missed out, - the floor was cold as there was a cellar beneath which the previous owners had used to store junk. We had it cleared by our local scrap metal man who was delignted with most of the junk he could use or sell then he and his mate boarded the ceiling, a difficult task but worthwhile, keeping the cold and Victorian dust in its place.

We bought a (cleaned) blanket from the dry cleaners sale of uncollected items, (4£) pinned and glued it against the door frame with a slit cut out for the mail.
We then didn’t use the front door, whether entering or to random callers, letting
in a howling gale with poor heating recovery, sure the fire service would not approve,
but in case of emergency we could rip open the door.
We hung the heavy curtain against the wall so there was a gap, with about a foot of it on the carpet, which absorbed the cold,
In spring it came down, no damp mould, nasty smell, aired on the sturdy line.

We advised friends and family to walk round the side of the house or we drove around to park and into the back garden gate, into the house through the (extended) utility room and kitchen, which was great bringing in food shopping but then into the middle part of the house to access the under stairs cupboard for coats boots etc.

We also had at what I thought was huge expense, after the first cold winter, a bi fold
glass porch door, as the fromt door was indented, so that packages and parcels could be left, fine in the summer but meant we either picked them up on the way home or walked around the house to fetch them in winter.

If anyone is still reading they will possibly be rolling their eyes thinking what a palarva.
Well this is what its like when you buy a handsome Victorian house which has been run down for decades, the struggle to keep warm, spending weekends diy ing, evenings after work rubbing down filling in, painting, etc., through spring and summer rewire, new bathroom, (mega expensive) boiler and radiators replaced to be shivering in winter and why, after seven years, after bringing it back to life, in
spring sunshine with all windows open, front door opened, daffodills in every room,
sold in two days to a delighted young couple to enable a move into a home almost hermetically sealed.
(plain, modern, chic, characterless, warm)

The next Christmas we had an ecard from said couple with pictures of them not
in jolly Christmas jumpers but t shirts, sitting in front of a red glowing woodburner
How happy we were for them.

@Miriamfriend you will be fine, insulation is the key, narrow pine floor boards
look good in photos in style magazines, the reality benefits from sealing and covering,
also we discovered, heavy duty lining paper on the walls, makes an astonishing difference to acoustics, warmth, tiny cracks inevitable in an old house, then we glied cork on the north short window wall, also stuck translucent film on the lower windows which had a (slight) warming effect
importantly, also run a de humidifier overnight, another source of amazement,
damp air takes longer to heat - there are videos about this on YT - tackle draughts, have heavy curtains lolling on the floor.
We have been in homes where door curtains are 4 inches above the floor -
what is the point of this when cold air is heavier than warm and your curtains are swaying in the draught?

Toolstation and or Screwfix are excellent sources of tools, draught excluder,
advice and information, the assistants in stores mega helpful,
you can request catalogues or look online if you havn’t already, its serious stuff,
where we bought our small neat Midea dehumidifier, empty frequently.

Once the walls are warmed through thoroughly they will hold the heat.

You could keep us posted, have a blog ?!

HellsBalls · 07/01/2025 12:41

@Miriamfriend how much are you willing to spend? A new UPVc door and frame will help. Is there space to build a tiny porch in the room?

caringcarer · 07/01/2025 12:51

Miriamfriend · 07/01/2025 10:22

Thank you all for your excellent thoughts.
The window is blown, I think. The radiator is performing weakly. The door is wood and the wind whistles all around its edges. So lots of steps I can try based on your good advice. @DoloresODonovan oh gosh!! This is the fear- lots of effort and expense and minimal payoff in terms of heat. Sorry but you did make me laugh! Hope you are toasty in the house you moved too.

Have you bled the radiator to make it give off more heat? It's simple to do and just needs an Allen key. If you only have a single radiator you could replace it quite cheaply with a much larger double one and put the foil boards behind the radiator so it reflects the heat back into the room.

caringcarer · 07/01/2025 12:52

You can also buy little brush strips to go around the edges of doors to prevent heat loss.

SereneCapybara · 07/01/2025 12:53

We had this issue for years as it was the last radiator in the circuit and just never quite made it. Then we put in a new boiler and the room is an oven. I did yoga in there this morning and it felt like hot yoga class. The rest of the house is normal temperature.

We used to have a plug in radiator to boost the heat when we had visitors.

Miriamfriend · 07/01/2025 13:36

caringcarer · 07/01/2025 12:51

Have you bled the radiator to make it give off more heat? It's simple to do and just needs an Allen key. If you only have a single radiator you could replace it quite cheaply with a much larger double one and put the foil boards behind the radiator so it reflects the heat back into the room.

We have bled the radiator to no great effect. My neighbour has swapped hers for a double, I think, so that’s a good idea. Thanks.

OP posts:
Miriamfriend · 07/01/2025 13:46

@DoloresODonovan oh my goodness thank you. You have provided me with a such an excellent check list that I intend to work through. The dehumidifier suggestion is one I haven’t heard before and I am immediately going to look in to it. No blog for me but I wish you had one? I don’t want to be defeated by this (c)old property and you’ve helped me look at it with a bit more of big picture view. Have you heard of anything that can be put on/in exterior brick wall to stop the wind/damp penetrating as much? Thanks again

OP posts:
A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 07/01/2025 15:30

I was going to say a desiccant dehumidifier also, as it heats the air also rather than blowing out cold air.

Also column radiators - you can get a quadruple column and they kick loads of heat out. Unfortunately our surveyor said bare floorboards really lose heat, so we put similar looking new solid wood floorboards on top, with insulating underlay underneath. We also realised (after this latest cold spell) that the chimney balloons were not working. An old feather pillow shoved up there has made a huge difference. Another small thing that helped was getting a foam insulated letter box flap, and also having a mail box on the wall next to the front door so all Mail and parcels go in that.

JaninaDuszejko · 07/01/2025 15:43

There's a reason people had open fires and wing backed chairs in the old days!

Very disruptive but you can get internal wall insulation. You need to be confident that the wall is watertight though. External insulation may not be an option on the front of a terraced house.

Do you have double glazing and is it modern? If not then get interlined curtains for the window and door. But a porch will have the biggest impact.

DoloresODonovan · 07/01/2025 18:57

Miriamfriend · 07/01/2025 13:46

@DoloresODonovan oh my goodness thank you. You have provided me with a such an excellent check list that I intend to work through. The dehumidifier suggestion is one I haven’t heard before and I am immediately going to look in to it. No blog for me but I wish you had one? I don’t want to be defeated by this (c)old property and you’ve helped me look at it with a bit more of big picture view. Have you heard of anything that can be put on/in exterior brick wall to stop the wind/damp penetrating as much? Thanks again

I’m sure there is something you can paint the brickwork with to inhibit damp and cold, look on the sites I mentioned or even phone them for advice.

Do you have a cavity wall? we had a builder take out a couple of air bricks and scrape out the gap between walls which was making a bridge for damp to penetrate. All this should have come up on your survey if you had one.

The dehumidifier will be a revelation, they come in different sizes.
You can hire large capacity ones for damp cellars and after flooding, sucks in moisture, blows out air.

New boiler and massive radiator will boost your warmth as @SereneCapybara said.

Also airing out the house (although probably not at the moment) as having an airflow helps, considerably.

Also take many photos, cos whenit is finished, warm and cosy it is easy
to forget the journey plus if/when you sell you will have proof of your endeavours
time and money spent.

PigletJohn · 07/01/2025 23:29

A terraced house does not have a lot of walls so it is probably draughts related.

But
Does this room have a door to shut it off from the rest of the house, or is it open to the staircase? Warm air will rush upstairs.

You have already identified the front door. Do you have a portal rod for the curtain? This automatically (by leverage) lifts the curtain when you open the door so it doesn't drag on the floor.

The brush pile or furry strips are very good for doors because they don't make them difficult to close or open. I also have them on my sash windows as they slide. If you have big gaps, you can tack wooden strips to the frame to take them up.

Do you have carpets or bare floorboards? Boards, especially in an old house, are very draughty.

Buy some joss sticks and crawl around looking for draughts. Very likely they will be coming up the gap under the skirting. This is best solved by taking up (at least) the boards against the wall and packing mineral wool insulation (as used in lofts) between the joists. Do not block airbricks. It will be worst at external walls, but sometimes also at party walls as the joists may have clumsy gaps where built into the brickwork. Victorian houses were shockingly shoddily built.

If there is a bay window, it is probably uninsulated with big draughty gaps. You may be able to see into it by lifting the end board in the room above. You can pack mineral wool between the joists. Do not let your cat explore the void.

The plastic window film is very effective at cutting draughts and heat loss. It does not stick to dirt or rough surfaces, but sticks well to new gloss paint. You can stick it to the outer frame to block draughts. Use your joss stick to find them.

If there is a fireplace, see how much air is going up it.

PigletJohn · 07/01/2025 23:37

@Miriamfriend "Have you heard of anything that can be put on/in exterior brick wall to stop the wind/damp penetrating as much?"

I can sell you some magic beans, nothing else works.

If wind is penetrating a brick wall (!) there must be defects in the brickwork. Holes or cracks. Pointing does not go all the way through. A wall might feel draughty if it is very cold, just from the cold air running down it.

Damp will not penetrate a brick wall unless there is a source of water, which needs to be repaired. Often a spilling gutter or leaking downpipe. Might be rain coming off a windowsill or bay roof. Cracked render or bad pointing can trap rain.

Miriamfriend · 12/01/2025 17:31

WidgetDigit2022 · 06/01/2025 18:14

Have you tried changing the rubber draft seal on the door? We did that to a previous house and it made a big improvement. Where’s the cold air coming in? The edges? The letter box?

Am going to look at this, thanks - drafts are whistling around the door.

OP posts:
Miriamfriend · 12/01/2025 17:36

PigletJohn · 07/01/2025 23:29

A terraced house does not have a lot of walls so it is probably draughts related.

But
Does this room have a door to shut it off from the rest of the house, or is it open to the staircase? Warm air will rush upstairs.

You have already identified the front door. Do you have a portal rod for the curtain? This automatically (by leverage) lifts the curtain when you open the door so it doesn't drag on the floor.

The brush pile or furry strips are very good for doors because they don't make them difficult to close or open. I also have them on my sash windows as they slide. If you have big gaps, you can tack wooden strips to the frame to take them up.

Do you have carpets or bare floorboards? Boards, especially in an old house, are very draughty.

Buy some joss sticks and crawl around looking for draughts. Very likely they will be coming up the gap under the skirting. This is best solved by taking up (at least) the boards against the wall and packing mineral wool insulation (as used in lofts) between the joists. Do not block airbricks. It will be worst at external walls, but sometimes also at party walls as the joists may have clumsy gaps where built into the brickwork. Victorian houses were shockingly shoddily built.

If there is a bay window, it is probably uninsulated with big draughty gaps. You may be able to see into it by lifting the end board in the room above. You can pack mineral wool between the joists. Do not let your cat explore the void.

The plastic window film is very effective at cutting draughts and heat loss. It does not stick to dirt or rough surfaces, but sticks well to new gloss paint. You can stick it to the outer frame to block draughts. Use your joss stick to find them.

If there is a fireplace, see how much air is going up it.

Thanks so much for this. Lots of drafts coming under the skirting boards, yes, so will look at your idea to proof against that and the door too. Much appreciated.

OP posts:
Miriamfriend · 12/01/2025 17:37

PigletJohn · 07/01/2025 23:37

@Miriamfriend "Have you heard of anything that can be put on/in exterior brick wall to stop the wind/damp penetrating as much?"

I can sell you some magic beans, nothing else works.

If wind is penetrating a brick wall (!) there must be defects in the brickwork. Holes or cracks. Pointing does not go all the way through. A wall might feel draughty if it is very cold, just from the cold air running down it.

Damp will not penetrate a brick wall unless there is a source of water, which needs to be repaired. Often a spilling gutter or leaking downpipe. Might be rain coming off a windowsill or bay roof. Cracked render or bad pointing can trap rain.

That makes a lot more sense than my penetrating theory- thank you!

OP posts:
Swipe left for the next trending thread