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New build garden size inaccurate/too small

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ShezK21 · 01/12/2024 16:22

We are buying a new build and the developers took forever to get back to us on the measurements for our garden. I thought in the meantime I could roughly work it out from the site plan, given that we had all the measurements of the house. So the house is 30 feet from front to back and the plans showed that the garden is the same length. So I estimated it was hopefully at least 25 feet long and as its wider than it is long, and based on house measurements, I estimated it was 30 to 35 feet across.

I know they aren't completely accurate, however when we finally did get the measurements back they have told me the garden is 17 feet long by 20 feet across.
The plans actually show the garden being almost twice the size it actually is! Are they allowed to be this far off and what can I do about it?
Lastly for a 3 bed, 3 storey house, housing 2 adults and 2 kids, is a 17 by 20 foot garden big enough?

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TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 01/12/2024 17:19

craigth162 · 01/12/2024 17:16

Id say it looks roughly in scale. If house is 13ft wide the garden looks approx 1.5 times width if house so 20ft is about right.

I agree.

JC03745 · 01/12/2024 17:20

All the rooms in the house that go from one side to the other are not more than 13feet. That's less than 4m wide??? So when you take into account a hall or stairwell, the space is even smaller! Have you seen a show home of similar dimensions?
What does your DH have planned for the garden? If its growing things- I'd suggest raised beds. New builds are notorious for leaving all the crappy cement, rocks, fag ends etc in the garden and covering with a thin layer of soil and lawn.

Chewbecca · 01/12/2024 17:25

13ft wide house is also tiny so I guess the house & garden are both dinky.

Personally I wouldn't choose a house & garden that size and would withdraw and buy an older property with decent dimensions. I would argue the return of any deposit too on the basis that the dimensions has changed.

(I can't visualise property sizes in metres, only feet. Although we may have officially gone metric in the 60s, it is very, very recently, last few years, that property listings have changed).

Dahliasrule · 01/12/2024 17:25

What’s the bit that isn’t pink but is also enclosed by a thick black line?

Saturdayssandwichsociety · 01/12/2024 17:25

I can totally see what you mean op if the larger space around the pink space on your diagram is what you were told was the garden. It looks far, far larger in the diagram.
'indicative' or not id be making a complaint to whatever relevant ombudsman because that is mega misleading.and id definitely be pulling out of the sale given there's a cutaway corner to it what you'll be left with will be ridiculously small!

Saturdayssandwichsociety · 01/12/2024 17:26

Dahliasrule · 01/12/2024 17:25

What’s the bit that isn’t pink but is also enclosed by a thick black line?

Pretty sure thats what was 'indicated' to OP was the garden with the property!

Fizzadora · 01/12/2024 17:27

So it's not even 17 x 20ft because you've got a massive triangle chopped off one corner. What's beyond that black line is it public space/footpath?
I'd be pulling out of this one.

Saturdayssandwichsociety · 01/12/2024 17:27

Honestly OP 13ft wide is an extremely narrow property the downstairs rooms can hardly be 3m wide once you allow for stairs. Avoid new builds - you really do get so much more for your money with an older home.

suburburban · 01/12/2024 17:30

That is very narrow OP

StandingSideBySide · 01/12/2024 17:32

Saturdayssandwichsociety · 01/12/2024 17:27

Honestly OP 13ft wide is an extremely narrow property the downstairs rooms can hardly be 3m wide once you allow for stairs. Avoid new builds - you really do get so much more for your money with an older home.

Average Victorian terrace is 4.4m wide. Thats centre line party wall / party wall, not internal dims. Internal dims would be about 4m so approx 13ft.

Im guessing this this hse doesn’t have a hall or the living room would be really quite small. 🤷‍♀️

PickAChew · 01/12/2024 17:34

ShezK21 · 01/12/2024 17:09

House is in blue, the black outline is the garden and based on measures given in relation to the house, the pink is what garden we'll actually have.

It looks like they've taken some way for a path between the backs of the houses.

13' is quite a normal width for a town house. My old terraced house was just under 15' and a lot of the new builds for sale when we were looking to move were narrower and did have postage stamp gardens, barely big enough for a rotary airer and a couple of chairs.

purplevipersgrass · 01/12/2024 17:35

I'd be extremely concerned about having neighbours at the rear less than 40ft away. For some people a tiny garden would be perfect: tubs, paving, nothing much to maintain. But not for a family house.

ShezK21 · 01/12/2024 17:46

StandingSideBySide · 01/12/2024 17:15

the plans are indicative only and assuming no measurements were put on the drawings or confirmed to you before your offer then it is what they now say.

You can’t measure off drawings so I suppose it’s up to you, it is small but not that unusual in new developments

Any idea what’s going to happen in the space between your garden and the ‘garage’ opposite. ( on the diagonal line )

Edited

That's cycle storage in the car park by a block of flats.

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PickAChew · 01/12/2024 17:46

I'm in my mid 50s and can visualise some thing better in metric and others better in imperial. Anything between the size of a person and a house is definitely an imperial thing for me. I can look at a room and think "that's about 12' wide" and would need my fingers and thumbs to work it out in metres, much like I think in English and would have to translate it into French.

I could pick up a book and visualise in either cm or inches, though. Cooking ingredients can either be g or oz and I can convert between the two almost instantaneously but I have no idea what I weigh in kg. I think it's just a quirk of having grown up with both systems for many of us, with metric having been a school thing but almost everything in real life being imperial, right down to buying a quarter of sweets or pint of milk.

ShezK21 · 01/12/2024 17:48

Fizzadora · 01/12/2024 17:27

So it's not even 17 x 20ft because you've got a massive triangle chopped off one corner. What's beyond that black line is it public space/footpath?
I'd be pulling out of this one.

Yep not sure why it's cut off like that. Behind is a car park for a block of flats

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StandingSideBySide · 01/12/2024 17:50

ShezK21 · 01/12/2024 17:46

That's cycle storage in the car park by a block of flats.

Oo
Randoms wandering around the back of your property.
Your Gardens very exposed
Are you really sure about this buy.
Im guessing the value reflects the lack of privacy…….

ShezK21 · 01/12/2024 17:51

StandingSideBySide · 01/12/2024 17:32

Average Victorian terrace is 4.4m wide. Thats centre line party wall / party wall, not internal dims. Internal dims would be about 4m so approx 13ft.

Im guessing this this hse doesn’t have a hall or the living room would be really quite small. 🤷‍♀️

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Iamiams · 01/12/2024 17:54

Did you think the extra bit (in green) was to be your garden? That’s a large discrepancy. I would be down with a tape measure. Presuming the CS building (garage?) is on your drawings it should be easy to establish the difference.

New build garden size inaccurate/too small
StandingSideBySide · 01/12/2024 17:54

PickAChew · 01/12/2024 17:46

I'm in my mid 50s and can visualise some thing better in metric and others better in imperial. Anything between the size of a person and a house is definitely an imperial thing for me. I can look at a room and think "that's about 12' wide" and would need my fingers and thumbs to work it out in metres, much like I think in English and would have to translate it into French.

I could pick up a book and visualise in either cm or inches, though. Cooking ingredients can either be g or oz and I can convert between the two almost instantaneously but I have no idea what I weigh in kg. I think it's just a quirk of having grown up with both systems for many of us, with metric having been a school thing but almost everything in real life being imperial, right down to buying a quarter of sweets or pint of milk.

I know what you mean. As an architect ( late 50s) I only ever work in metric I just can’t visualise feet and always have to convert it. ( even though I was a student in America for a while )
13ft means nothing to me but I can visualise 4m.

RedRiverShore5 · 01/12/2024 17:56

It does look like a typical 3 bed, 3 storey property, they are built high and narrow nowadays for a smaller footprint but regular 3 bed sized living space, I wouldn't expect much garden with this type of property, they are the equivalent of the victorian terrace.

BFG2023 · 01/12/2024 17:56

Have you physically been inside the house OP? Or a show house of the exact same type? 1.8m is incredibly tight for a kitchen...

LIZS · 01/12/2024 17:56

From that plan I don't know why you thought it would be any more than 2/3 length of the house. Which fence did you think you could move?

custardpyjamas · 01/12/2024 18:00

If you are going off the house dimensions it seems like those must be wrong too, the house must be the same width as the garden surely? Can you sneak in with a measuring tape and check?

Carezzamia · 01/12/2024 18:01

Get out of the sale op. New build gardens are generally tiny. They cram houses as much as possible and rooms also are usually tiny.

ShezK21 · 01/12/2024 18:01

Iamiams · 01/12/2024 17:54

Did you think the extra bit (in green) was to be your garden? That’s a large discrepancy. I would be down with a tape measure. Presuming the CS building (garage?) is on your drawings it should be easy to establish the difference.

Yes, the green plus the pink is what our garden was supposed to be. When they gave me the measurements, I remeasured in relation to the measurements from the house and that's what the pink is.

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