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Stamp duty shortfall

57 replies

waitingforever · 22/05/2024 16:38

So all our mortgage and deposit in place but we are short on stamp duty. Has any one got any ideas like bridging loans, etc that they may have used to go through the purchase. We will be fine in few months it is just the initial shortfall. It will be shame for it to fall apart because of this.

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DrySherry · 22/05/2024 16:47

It sounds like you are buying beyond your means if you don't have enough savings held back to even cover the stamp duty :(
I would suggest reducing your offer on the house you are buying ?

waitingforever · 22/05/2024 16:50

Ok thanks for that.

If any one has any other suggestions that will be great? No worries if not.

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LuckysDadsHat · 22/05/2024 16:53

You won't be able to take on a bank loan or credit card debt as the mortgage company may then take this into account. All you could do is wait till you have saved up more, ask family to lend you the money or pull out of the sale.

I would not be impressed as a seller if you tried to get the price down as you had failed to prepare properly. I would most likely tell you the sale is off as you clearly can't afford it.

DoublePeonies · 22/05/2024 16:59

How much do you need?
Would anyone in the family be able to temporarily stump up the difference? And you pay them back in a month or 2?
Is there enough time to live exceptionally frugally until completion to reduce the shortfall?
Anything you can sell, allowing for decluttering before moving?

Trouble with borrowing anything from a bank / credit card before completion is the risk the bank issuing the mortgage might do a final check.

Good luck!

LaPalmaLlama · 22/05/2024 17:01

Pawn something ( jewellery, car etc)?

justonemoreuser · 22/05/2024 17:02

We missed this initially, but one of the first things our solicitor did was give an estimated total cost, which set us right. This was very early on, so not too committed at that point.

But yeah, fundamentally it means you missed a detail and as a result offered more than you can afford. There is no magic fix here, no "trick" to borrow more money without it costing more.

GreenBag53 · 22/05/2024 17:05

We were in same situation as we didn't realize stamp duty had to be paid straight away, we thought (I can't remember why!) that we had a month to pay. We applied for a loan online the night before we moved with a bank we'd borrowed from before and luckily it was approved immediately. This was about 9 years ago though.

houwseevryweekend · 22/05/2024 17:07

Not sure how far off exchange you are but a colleague of mine recently told me they added their stamp duty to their mortgage amount. I didn't even realise this was possible. Could you go back to lender and increase your mortgage to cover this (not sure if all lenders do so but worth checking with your broker).

LeftLegRightLegYourBodyWillFollow · 22/05/2024 17:08

How much are we talking...?
Bank loan, credit card, family loan?

I assume you are at maximum mortgage? - Do have a real think about whether you are overstretching yourselves too far. No judgement, we've gone all in before, but be sure it's the right thing for you to take that risk now. Good luck!

waitingforever · 22/05/2024 18:35

Thanks. Good points to think about and will be looking at cutting down costs and selling what we don't need. Definitely car and few other. It is all in situation but worth it. The opportunity is good and the shortfall would be covered soon so it will be sad to let go at this point.
EMI is not an issue at all, nor is deposit it is just the stamp duty as stupidly we didn't account for it being so much.

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fromtheshires · 22/05/2024 20:07

DrySherry · 22/05/2024 16:47

It sounds like you are buying beyond your means if you don't have enough savings held back to even cover the stamp duty :(
I would suggest reducing your offer on the house you are buying ?

Why should the seller pay for the buyers stamp duty obligation because they hadn't factored it in?

If the OP is buying beyond their means the correct answer is look at a cheaper house, not getting them to reduce their offer.

waitingforever · 22/05/2024 21:01

Not going to go to the seller. If it works it works if not then that's fine at least we tried. I am sure we won't be the first one trying our best. We have assets to liquidate so will start there first.

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Papricat · 22/05/2024 21:57

Sell a limb?

waitingforever · 22/05/2024 22:41

I guess you are talking from experience of having sold your brain long time back

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HopefulQn · 22/05/2024 22:43

DrySherry · 22/05/2024 16:47

It sounds like you are buying beyond your means if you don't have enough savings held back to even cover the stamp duty :(
I would suggest reducing your offer on the house you are buying ?

How would this help? Say they have a 10% deposit, if they reduced their offer by 10k it’d only free up 1k cash.

lunar1 · 22/05/2024 23:00

How much are you needing? Is it proper bank loan territory or sell everything surplus to requirements.

TizerorFizz · 22/05/2024 23:03

@waitingforever

You just haven't borrowed enough! The full purchase price includes the tax. So can you extend the mortgage term and borrow more?

Answersunknown · 22/05/2024 23:08

Depends how much you neeed.
if you can pay it back in a month or two can you live completely off credit card until then to free up cash?

or get your parents to live off your credit card and give you the cash for things?

waitingforever · 23/05/2024 06:15

@TizerorFizz from mortgage perspective, yes we can borrow more and we have the deposit to match the increased borrowed amount but our mortgage advisor said that the stamp duty can't be added to the mortgage. If it could it would solve all problems.

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fromtheshires · 23/05/2024 07:17

waitingforever · 23/05/2024 06:15

@TizerorFizz from mortgage perspective, yes we can borrow more and we have the deposit to match the increased borrowed amount but our mortgage advisor said that the stamp duty can't be added to the mortgage. If it could it would solve all problems.

You just need to word it a bit differently.

Instead of increasing the mortgage to cover the stamp duty, you need to increase it as you need to borrow more due to having less cash deposit if that makes sense?

Sunnyandsilly · 23/05/2024 07:19

Can you reduce your deposit, use this for the duty and increase mortgage?

you can’t borrow by other means, so unless a family member will say they gifted it, it’s down to selling everything you have to make up the shortfall.

also remember solicitors fees, survey, and moving costs.

Sunnyandsilly · 23/05/2024 07:21

fromtheshires · 23/05/2024 07:17

You just need to word it a bit differently.

Instead of increasing the mortgage to cover the stamp duty, you need to increase it as you need to borrow more due to having less cash deposit if that makes sense?

This. Our mortgage was 250, we took 282, as the duty was 32k at the time, we then paid the 32k from savings, or deposit.

domesticslattern · 23/05/2024 07:27

Yes, you don't add the stamp duty onto the mortgage, you take it off the deposit.
Is your mortgage advisor saying that then you won't be able to get the loan?

sugarbyebye · 23/05/2024 07:36

We are going to be in a similar position I think, as our calculations hadn't factored in our buyers significantly reducing their offer post surveys. Think I'm going to have to go back to the mortgage company and ask for more as I don't want to dip into our emergency savings pots (and they're also tied up so hard to access at short notice). Or I'll ask my dad if he's feeling generous as he has loads of cash festering away in the bank but my step mother probably wouldn't be too happy about that.

DrySherry · 23/05/2024 07:40

sugarbyebye · 23/05/2024 07:36

We are going to be in a similar position I think, as our calculations hadn't factored in our buyers significantly reducing their offer post surveys. Think I'm going to have to go back to the mortgage company and ask for more as I don't want to dip into our emergency savings pots (and they're also tied up so hard to access at short notice). Or I'll ask my dad if he's feeling generous as he has loads of cash festering away in the bank but my step mother probably wouldn't be too happy about that.

Have you considered reducing your offer on your purchase ?
You have a very reasonable negotiation point as you have had to reduce your sale price ?