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Eviction - Council Rehousing

108 replies

buspool · 18/05/2024 09:15

Been served a section 21 notice

Nice landlord - paying low rent for years but I've 2 kids so not leaving til council rehoused me.

Council told me to wait until court order in place and bailiffs coming and then they'll rehouse me

BUT

does that mean I have to accept the property they offer me at that stage even if it is a flat in an area I don't want to live in??

If I don't accept it then??

Just wondering whether it is better for me to keep bidding on properties now and to ask council to give me higher priority so more likely to get a house with garden

Any tips on how I should play this please?

Can't afford private rents round here so not an option

OP posts:
DoreenonTill8 · 19/05/2024 10:42

How much is your rent currently?
other properties in area are £300 more a month just had a look and it's about £625-£675 for several 3 bed houses with gardens in gateshead. Are you really under £400 a month just now? I can see why a move to private let seems scary!!

FrogTheWarrior · 19/05/2024 10:48

Please don’t be disappointed that you’re not being evicted.

Imagine if you ended up in a scuzzy b and b for years?

I personally think you need to have worst case scenario in the forefront of your mind rather than the fairytale three bed house, just to stay focused on priorities.

bigredboat · 19/05/2024 10:50

If you're getting the rent covered by the housing element of universal credit and the extra £100 doesn't take you over the max you can claim then surely it makes no difference to you?

LL1991 · 19/05/2024 10:57

Agree with @pinkdelight
since the beginning of this thread I don’t understand calling the landlord nice but seemingly having no guilt for the sh*tshow of making him evict you via the courts. Also of just instantly expecting a lovely new house straight away when there are well documented housing shortages in the country with people being emergency houses miles and miles away from family due to emergency housing shortage too.
Then calling a £100 rent increase in 19 years sickening.
Understand OP may be stuck in the situation they are but think a step back and a look at the bigger picture may be needed. You have a roof over your kids heads and a super cheap rent from a landlord who’s probably thought ‘I can live without that extra £100 but she’s got X kids in a housing and cost of living crisis’ and thought they were doing you a favour - now you want to cost him hundreds if not thousands in court fees.

buspool · 19/05/2024 11:07

@LL1991 I get your point but it was the council who told me I needed to wait until I was evicted by courts so it wasn't me who wanted that route. House is 3 bed large terrace for £500 a month Landlord does all repairs on time and all gas checks done etc. Kitchen was repainted last year so landlord nice enough but I want to move and have a garden.

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Scarletttulips · 19/05/2024 11:17

So you aren’t being made homeless?

You were enjoying the cheap rent and want to queue Juno families in a worst position than yourself to be funded by the tax payer?

If you want nice things, get a better paying job and work for them.

DoreenonTill8 · 19/05/2024 11:18

buspool · 19/05/2024 11:07

@LL1991 I get your point but it was the council who told me I needed to wait until I was evicted by courts so it wasn't me who wanted that route. House is 3 bed large terrace for £500 a month Landlord does all repairs on time and all gas checks done etc. Kitchen was repainted last year so landlord nice enough but I want to move and have a garden.

Wow, you are living some peoples dream!
Is the landlord known to you? Previous renter who is your friends family? Your family?

PineappleTime · 19/05/2024 11:20

buspool · 19/05/2024 11:07

@LL1991 I get your point but it was the council who told me I needed to wait until I was evicted by courts so it wasn't me who wanted that route. House is 3 bed large terrace for £500 a month Landlord does all repairs on time and all gas checks done etc. Kitchen was repainted last year so landlord nice enough but I want to move and have a garden.

Yes you have to wait to be evicted if you can’t house yourself. Why can’t you house yourself? Seems to me that you’re expecting to get a council house as a result of being evicted. You need to open your eyes, inform your self and realise that’s not going to happen. So either stay where you are and suck up the rent increase or look for a private rent that meets your criteria. Or wait to get evicted and get put in a bed and breakfast 20 miles away from where you live…

buspool · 19/05/2024 11:21

@DoreenonTill8 I wouldn't call the house a dream by any stretch. It's basic enough - kitchen is about 15 years old as is the bathroom. Steep staircase. It's on a main road next with a backyard.

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FuckTheClubUp · 19/05/2024 11:25

Many councils say that if you’re being evicted, in order for the council to house you then you need to wait until the baliffs turn up and literally kick you out. I’m not sure how you’d go from the baliffs kicking you out, straight into a council property but unfortunately, it doesn’t work like that.

Every council is slightly different but essentially what happens is that you’re placed in emergency, temporary accommodation. This is usually a B&B. Once your case has been reviewed, you then get moved to temporary accommodation which could be a hostel, self contained flat or still possibly a B&B.

Once you’re in temporary accommodation, more often than not, your banding doesn’t change. If your children have medical needs then why isn’t this on your housing application already? You’ll need to submit a medical record so that your situation can be reviewed.

It seems like you’re expecting the council to house you just so you can have a garden? When you bid now, what bid positions are you coming? This will most likely stay the same even if you do get evicted. People don’t get evicted and go straight into a council property unless they’ve bidded successfully and have got a place

WhosDrawnOnTheWallAgain · 19/05/2024 11:41

I’m sorry, OP, but I find myself having less and less sympathy the most of your posts that I read.

As for these… (although admittedly not in sequence)
”It's on a main road next with a backyard.”
”…but I want to move and have a garden”

I can’t immediately locate the post that talks about the potentially invalid S21 ‘scuppering your plans’ is quite breathtaking. It seems to me like a bad attempt to craft / contrive an eviction scenario.

Find some dignity.

campingwithdoggo · 19/05/2024 12:00

The Op is sounding increasingly entitled to be honest

Specialneedsnana · 19/05/2024 12:08

buspool · 19/05/2024 11:07

@LL1991 I get your point but it was the council who told me I needed to wait until I was evicted by courts so it wasn't me who wanted that route. House is 3 bed large terrace for £500 a month Landlord does all repairs on time and all gas checks done etc. Kitchen was repainted last year so landlord nice enough but I want to move and have a garden.

I kind of get where your coming from . I feel like you didn't intend to get evicted. But by the same token if could be your pathway to secure/social housing. And you would only be going through the homeless route because there's no choice the council won't help you if you don't.

But at the moment there's a problem with the paperwork. Ie deposit, gas certificate and other stuff so the section 21 is invalid. If the landlord still wants you out he will correct all the things he's messed up with and you will probably end up with another section 21 anyway.

I don't know what the housing situation is like in your area . I know in London and the south. Most likely the main towns/cuts in the Northeast are probably struggling with housing issues.

Being in emgency/temporary accommodation is not a bed of roses . You may have to share kitchen /bathroom they are not normally upto standard living. Unless your lucky. Mine had . Rats , mice , bed bugs. Cook roaches. You could be in temporary accommodation for years .

Emgency/temporary accommodation wise you get given what's available.

When it comes to bidding you bid on what you want. So you could possibly get a house with a garden. But everyone wants that so it would be a longer wait.

As for if you would be put out of the area . You could be . But if your child has special needs/disabilities. Then it could have an impact and help you stay local or as local as possible. My child has autism this helped us stay in the area or lose to it. If your child has an EHCP that can be helpful as well .

feellikeanalien · 19/05/2024 12:32

OP I don't know about Gateshead but Northumberland CC Homefinder has recently attached a notice to its home page saying that they have an unprecedented demand at the moment and it may take longer than usual to house people. I have never seen this before so I would try to do everything you can to avoid having to use the homeless provisions. If there is a huge demand then you are likely to spend more time in temporary accommodation.

I know it's not the same authority but it is the neighbouring one so I would imagine the situation may be the same in Gateshead.

WhosDrawnOnTheWallAgain · 19/05/2024 12:53

To comment on this and similar advice:
”Emgency/temporary accommodation wise you get given what's available.

When it comes to bidding you bid on what you want. So you could possibly get a house with a garden.”

This is not necessarily the case everywhere, so shouldn’t be relied on. Certainly in my Local Authority, those in temporary accommodation have to accept whatever property becomes available and meets their needs when they are eventually at the top of the list. Only those on the housing register - and not in emergency accommodation - have the option of selecting (and potentially rejecting) properties.

Another poster shared info/link on private rental properties in OPs area for around £5-600pcm. As house with a garden is the top priority, OP might be best securing a long-term rental through that route.

Or, we may be subject to future threads from OP in the not too distant, and more distant future:

  1. The Council has put me in disgusting temporary accommodation and won’t move me to a better place. The property I was in before was much better and if I knew it would be this bad I’d have stayed where I was.
  2. The Council has given me a flat on the 100th floor with piss on the stairs, drug addicts on every corner and mouldy walls in the bathroom. I have emailed them every day but refuse to understand that I want a house with a garden.
  3. The Council has given me a house with a garden in Timbuktu, but public transport only runs twice a month and I don’t get to see my friends.

Seriously OP, social housing allocation works very, very differently to what you seem to imagine. You might be best to keep an open mind and get a reality check.

I do feel anyone genuinely facing eviction, and I save my sympathies for them.

Nonewclothes2024 · 19/05/2024 12:54

buspool · 18/05/2024 11:39

@DoreenonTill8 thanks needing 3 bed - really want a house with garden from council if can

So did my daughter. She got a two bed flat 4 years ago. Still bidding.
She's housed though , very fortunate.

mitogoshi · 19/05/2024 13:10

So are you actually getting evicted or have you asked your kind landlord to be evicted to get a council house? It's not clear. If the latter I would reconsider urgently because you are quite likely to get two interconnected rooms in a hotel with no cooking facilities, or worse, one room! Read the threads on emergency accommodation, it's not nice. Yes a garden would be lovely but you are just as likely to be offered a flat and if you are in emergency accommodation and turn down the permeant offer you can be discharged from them helping you.

I know nothing about availability in Gateshead but my road has some new social housing and the lady I've got friendly with was in emergency accommodation for 2 full years being moved about at short notice following escaping domestic violence, she's very pleased with her new two bed flat with reserved parking space!

NeverDropYourMooncup · 19/05/2024 13:20

buspool · 18/05/2024 11:39

@DoreenonTill8 thanks needing 3 bed - really want a house with garden from council if can

Don't we all?

If you're being housed through homelessness, it's take what you're given or you can't really be homeless. Unless you have already fully evidenced medical conditions that may make a particular property unsuitable to be offered to you and they agree with that recommendation. Flats with lifts will generally still be deemed suitable for children and disabled applicants - there's no right to a three bed semi with large garden - and the number, age and sex of the children could mean that you are only assessed as needing two bedrooms with no further requirement for an additional bedroom until one is in a relationship with another adult and they have a child of their own and there isn't a living room or dining room in which you could sleep on the sofa to keep them separate from a sibling.

It's not as easy/perfect as you might think - still better than being on the street, though. Which is what they're there for, to keep children off the street or going into care.

WhatIsThatThumpingInTheGarden · 19/05/2024 14:34

Right, now I understand why you asked about deposit. I didn't realize that counted towards valid eviction paperwork.

If LL gives you the deposit back then I guess you have a tenancy without a deposit? So no need for a deposit scheme? Or does your tenancy agreement say you gave a deposit? He's offering you the deposit back, even though you're still there, because he's broken the law and (I think) owes you more than just the original deposit back. I don't know whether he'd have to put the deposit into a deposit protection scheme now to comply with eviction paperwork.

The gas safety certificates and electrical safety certificates are important too. He'd have to pay out for a new gas safety check so you've got a certificate, and that might fix that situation I think, unless he still has to show he'd complied all through the tenancy which he can't do, IDK. Agree with poster above, gas engineer would have given tenant a copy of certificate (which you as tenant would have signed) and sent another copy to LL. So has LL really had proper checks done by qualified person, if this hasn't been happening?

It could be that because of his mess ups he can't evict you. This doesn't mean you have to pay higher rent. You could refuse to pay more than you're already paying and he'd have to go to court to evict you somehow, maybe under some clause other than Section 21 if he's messed up too much to do that one, IDK.

I don't understand why you're so keen to move though. A good LL who does repairs in a timely manner, cheaper than average rent, a property without damp issues (since you haven't mentioned any)...there's no guarantee what you'd get from the council would be any better than this.

You can't stay in temporary homeless accommodation forever until your dream property comes up. Either you wouldn't want to because of the cost (if you're paying) or they won't want you to because of the cost (if they're paying) and also because of the size/inconvenience. All sleeping in one room or having to use a launderette and survive on takeaway gets old pretty fast. You'll be hassled out into any suitable property, eventually. Do you realise not everyone even gets a council property? The council also help people find private rentals that are affordable and help with deposit if tenant can't afford one. You can't choose and refuse all the private ones.

HAs don't always make good LL, you could end up with one that doesn't do any repairs if they can get away with it, a mouldy property that needs razing to the ground and rebuilding (that'll never happen), bullying or noisy neighbors, living in a totally different area to where you are now, in a permanent property you like less than this one. And definitely like less than this one for the temporary property.

Admittedly it'll give you a secure tenancy if it's a council property, although I think they may even be phasing these out now, but still more secure than the prospect of potentially moving on again every 6 months in private rental.

Anyway, whatever, you seem to think you can hurry along getting a council house. You can't. You've got an adequate and affordable roof over your head for now, I'd be grateful for that. You'll be evicted at some point in time, whether it's now or if the LL eventually sells up.

If the section 21 isn't valid then you're not being evicted so you're not homeless and your priority status for a council property will be reflected in that. You asked why the council hadn't changed your banding. This is why. They were checking the validity of the Section 21 first because as I said before LL often make errors (which yours has), it's not valid so no need to increase your banding or priority status, because you're not homeless.

I don't know where you'll stand with the council regards homelessness if you refuse to pay the raised rent. I know rent arrears (without good cause maybe?) can be seen as you making yourself voluntarily homeless. If the raised rent is still going to be below market value and if you can afford to pay it, I don't know whether that situation of being considered voluntarily homeless would apply to you. If it does, the council won't increase your banding or put you in temporary accommodation anyway. You'd be left to find another private rental.

I also don't think LL is going to evict you through the courts to do you a favour. (Are you somehow in cahoots and he has no need to evict you but you've asked him to because you want to use the homeless scheme?). Going to court costs money and is a hassle. If he doesn't need the flat back and you're paying the rent, why would he bother going to all the hassle to evict you? You're either homeless or you're not, OP. I don't think trying to pull a fast one (if that's what you're doing) is going to get you anywhere.

House is 3 bed large terrace for £500 a month Landlord does all repairs on time and all gas checks done etc. Kitchen was repainted last year so landlord nice enough but I want to move and have a garden.

This is fucking mental. You've got gold dust basically. And you want more.

You think council houses have gold plated taps or something? They can have dated décor too, kitchens so old and knackered that they're barely functional etc and there won't be any white goods at all including a cooker, you have to supply your own. You may or may not get a garden. If you do get one it may be communal, a patch of grass outside the row of houses, with neighbors peeping in your windows, sitting outside your open windows drinking, smoking weed and laughing loudly with friends all summer. If you can get by in a 2bed you'll likely end up in one and it could be a flat with no outside space not even a miniscule balcony. If you genuinely need a 3bed and would be overcrowded in a 2bed, you could be in temporary accommodation for ages because they're in short supply. Temporary accommodation won't be more than a 1bed flat, at best.

Permanent housing can also be great, but there's no guarantees.

You've not had a run of bad LL, constantly needed to move on, unable to afford anything that isn't damp, mental health shot to pieces by life and being made worse by your living situation. In which case there's a fair chance you'd be better off in a council place. But you - I'd stay where you are, pay the increase in rent, either improve your situation so you can afford something with a garden or else go back to the council when you're genuinely homeless and evicted from not being able to afford the rent or the LL selling up.

sleepyscientist · 19/05/2024 14:57

So your rent is now £600 if you want a garden you can get it for an extra £75

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/147937406#/?channel=RES_LET

WhatIsThatThumpingInTheGarden · 19/05/2024 15:46

Also if your backyard is tiny, investigate ideas for balcony gardens (because of the size) and create something beautiful with pots and a bench.

Search out where the best areas for council flats are for the future, because without priority status you're likely to be housed after your DC have aged out, so your eligibility will become a one bedroom flat. If you stay on the housing register and keep bidding you'll get a place eventually, it just might be once you qualify for an over-50's flat. Unless you and up genuinely being evicted at some point.

pinkdelight · 19/05/2024 16:11

This has really taken a turn. So you've actually got a really good set-up and your only issues are not having a garden (though you have a yard), being on a main road (many people are), and the stairs being a bit steep. Eesh. Everyone bar very rich people have to make some compromises for the home they can afford. If you want a garden that much, pay the extra £75 a month. The chances of getting a great council house in a nice area with a garden are incredibly small in your situation even if you went through an eviction process which thankfully you won't have to. The chances of you ending up somewhere worse than you are would be much higher. Be relieved to avoid the stress of it all and focus on securing your own house with a garden if it's such a priority. There will be people with much more need above you on the council list and rightly so.

WhosDrawnOnTheWallAgain · 19/05/2024 16:34

OP, can I ask the average rent for a council house in your area?

I’m asking because £650ish for a 3-bed private rent is a steal and seemingly not in short supply in your area? I’m trying to be objective and understand your motivation.

I know getting a council house might feel like winning the lottery, but I’m also thinking that the Homelessness Prevention Officer will just assist you to secure another private rental accommodation?

NeverDropYourMooncup · 19/05/2024 16:41

WhosDrawnOnTheWallAgain · 19/05/2024 16:34

OP, can I ask the average rent for a council house in your area?

I’m asking because £650ish for a 3-bed private rent is a steal and seemingly not in short supply in your area? I’m trying to be objective and understand your motivation.

I know getting a council house might feel like winning the lottery, but I’m also thinking that the Homelessness Prevention Officer will just assist you to secure another private rental accommodation?

Didn't seem much point in mentioning the HA rent for a two bed down here is £740 and is still an absolute bargain compared to private. Although if private's that cheap, I'd think that working and saving for a mortgage whilst paying full rent there would be feasible in a way it never would down here.

Specialneedsnana · 19/05/2024 16:48

WhosDrawnOnTheWallAgain · 19/05/2024 16:34

OP, can I ask the average rent for a council house in your area?

I’m asking because £650ish for a 3-bed private rent is a steal and seemingly not in short supply in your area? I’m trying to be objective and understand your motivation.

I know getting a council house might feel like winning the lottery, but I’m also thinking that the Homelessness Prevention Officer will just assist you to secure another private rental accommodation?

I just had a look out of interest . It said social housing 3 bed is 126.58 a week and a 3 bed private rent the LHA is 150.00 a week.

But if op needs help via uc. It's not easy to rent privately