Kitchen Island and no dining table

[FigandHoney]

Does anyone with kids have just a kitchen island with seating and no dining table.
We don't have a seperate dining room.
I can either fit a small 1.5m long island and a small table. Or a much bigger 8sland but no table.

OP in your layout I’d turn the island 90 degrees to the left and then you’d have more space for a larger table on the far right.

Also how much space are you allowing between the units and the island? You might be able to cut that down.

PP mentioned clattering pots on quartz. I think wood is a nicer surface to sit at, not being ladylike I tend to put elbows on table..brrr! Most islands look chilly to me.

Folding chairs that could live under the table when not in use?

External entrance door at the top right, door to the rest of the house at bottom right and door to the basement stair in the bottom left.
The top wall is actually at an angle but the diy-kitchen planner doesn't allow me to model that.
Chimney breast is on the left wall and the colum on the top wall just yo the left of the external door

That's an interesting island with the table.
To answer your question because my husband is desperate for an island with bar stools for breakfast

It's what we currently have and it really doesn't work for us. The tables and hairs always feel in the way we trip over them.
Also it means that the sink sits next to the dishwasher which sits next to the hob which buts up against the column. So everything Worktop else feels very cramped. My previous kitchen was much smaller but I had such a better layout and with 3 clear walls it was easy to plan

Hmm maybe. But then the bar stools would be back to back with the dining table. Unless I can convince my husband that we really don't need those.
I have left 900mm, which is the minimum recommended in order to still be able to open the oven or dishwasher and still be able to get past it

900mm is tight to open an oven door and stand in front of it comfortably. Why not post the dimensions of the kitchen and its idiosyncrasies? We might be able to visualize the actual space better. I’ve got two sets of French doors in my glass walls so don’t see that as an issue.

You waste a lot of space with a breakfast bar that’s not used much. You also cannot use a table for a sink, hob, oven or anything else. I have all of those on mine. Another oven and sink elsewhere but you really can use an island for more than prep. I prep adjacent to my hob on the island and then turn around and the big sink is there and so is the dishwasher. The veg prep sink is on the island. As are built under waste and recycling bins.

Table for me

I am having a new kitchen extension and have gone for a peninsula with no breakfast bar and table rather than an island.

A solely bar stool setup is limiting because it's a problem for small children or people with certain mobility issues to sit at. I wouldn't really trust my son to sit on a high stool yet, for example, and my septuagenarian father has very poor balance and wouldn't be able to manage, either. Personally I found sitting on that type of stool really tricky while I was pregnant. I doubt see how anyone can be certain that they'll never want to entertain anyone young, elderly, pregnant or disabled, or that they'll never be any of those things themselves, so I vote table.

We have an island with cupboards , 2 bar seats
Its only DH and I at home mostly and we use it all the time when we have friends round in the daytime , they hog the island and we end up on normal height chairs , we do have an amazing view though !
There is also a dining room with table
I wouldn’t have used island with small children though

Table every time!

I hate islands and would always choose a table. I really don't like the table on the end a previous poster posted (sorry!). It looks like a tacked on afterthought.

I would be put off buying a house if there was no room for a table.

We have a small-ish island as a prep area, but then a big table nearby. Didn't bother with any seating at the island as we couldn't see the point with the table just there.

I think unless you have enough room to comfortably have enough space for a table and an island it is best to just have a table.

People seem obsessed with uncomfortable bar stools. Yes, stools are uncomfortable to sit on for a long time, but there are some very comfortable chairs. We got bar chairs from this website that are extremely comfortable, worth investing in decent chairs if you're not having a table.

www.danetti.com/collections/bar-stools

It's a bit of a challenge - I'd be considering tacking a table - rectangle (maybe extendable for flexibility (normal height) onto the island rather than having them separate to save space - I've seen it in showrooms and it can look really good.
We have an island and a table - the island is used and I love it but we always eat meals at the table, the island seating - even though we have chairs is just not comfortable enough I want my feet on the floor.

@bellac11 she's doing fine 😂

Damn autocorrect

My architect found it odd that I didn't want an island in a sizeable kitchen.

But I have a large dining table .. with 1.6 m on either side of table, it would've been v cramped otherwise.

And we sit at the table for all meals .

This is our island. We have this space for seating either side. The key is to get comfortable stools (not bar stools). We have comfy upholstered ones with arms and a high back. Sorry not home to get a pic just now.

We have an island and people sit at it maybe a handful of times a year. We have a huge space so have a good sized table too and I would never choose an island over a table (and would discount any house that did). You can do everything at a table that you can do at an island (without a hob, sink etc.) including food prep but you can move it around, have a proper meal etc.

I do a lot of work at my kitchen table. In my last house I did have a separate dining room and a big island in the kitchen with seating. Rarely did anyone sit at the island, and the dining room was only used on occasion. I built a conservatory on the side and put a table in there which I used every day as it was attached to the kitchen.
So table over big island any day.

None of those look comfortable to me

To not be able to put your feet on the floor in front of you can cause problems, particularly with balance, trying to sit with your feet balanced on the little bar, means you're pulling your knees under quite tight, plus the backs of those chairs are not as high as a normal chair

When are you planning on doing the work? With so many layout limitations I wonder if you’d be better putting it off for another year or two and getting a reasonably priced free standing island to test the concept- IKEA’s TORNVIKEN is £329 and has space for two bar stools. If you get that and see how often your husband actually sits at the stool to eat his breakfast, would a small island with just additional workspace suffice, would you really want any appliances etc on the island, it could be well worth the investment and minimise the risk of a costly white elephant. You may even find that a freestanding island would give you the flexibility you need in a permanent design; you could remove the stools and move it against the opposite wall on the odd occasions where you’re hosting and the dining area is at max capacity.

FWIW our first house had an island the size you’re planning. We never got bar stools for ours, but the neighbours did and told me later they literally never used them as the dining table was immediately behind. We both then moved to the development’s last phase and at the selections stage both ditched the space for the stools and got additional cupboard space instead and it works much better. This is why I think it would be a great idea to test the concept before you commit.