How much would this house need to renovate?

[jingleallthewayy]

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/139630523

Guesstimate a budget needed to do a decent refurbish and make this a liveable family home?

Well it’s liveable as is (in my opinion) so it’s all a question of what you’d want to do and what finish you require. Some basic diy and lick of paint would make a big difference and cost little. But if you want new bathrooms and new kitchen that’s another matter.

It looks pretty liveable as it is albeit dated, do you want it totally 'done'?

Are you including replacing kitchen and bathrooms or living with what you've got for the time being? Does it need a new boiler, new fuseboard? Any windows or doors need replacing?

Have you had a survey done? That would be a good starting point of what you need to consider spending. I'd personally look at relocating all those base level sockets and add some more. If the walls are good you can usually fill and smooth any holes etc...

I think the kitchen and bathroom aren't urgent, but I feel like the walls might need replastering/skimming at least?

Plus new skirting boards doors etc? Then fresh paint and carpets/flooring

Depends what you want to do? I would start by evaluating the electrics. There is a lot of trunking and some random wires. I would sort that out before you do anything. Make a note of where you want new sockets, do any demo, then get the electrician in to sort out the electrics. Then make good and skim walls. Doors and skirting after depending on your flooring.

I would also look to move the downstairs loo, I wouldn’t want it in the middle of the kitchen. I’d knock through into the dining room and put the loo somewhere else.

I doubt if the electrics would be safe so I would be budgeting for full re-wire, full re-plumb. You will probably need to re-plaster, especially if you move any walls. New kitchen, bathrooms, everything basically and this is without any major issues being thrown up like needing a new roof, damp etc. If you aren't doing this yourself I would be budgeting 150-200K minimum.

I haven't looked at the room measurements but maybe £400-£500 a room for skimming, around £80-90 per new socket with an electrician.

Looks like it's got beautiful original doors so I'd paint them, same for existing skirting unless it's very damaged? You can fill and sand any holes from moving sockets up off the skirting.

I'd focus on the potential hidden costs such as having the electrics tested, boiler, insulation, fuseboard and unless you really need the downstairs shower I'd move the toilet into there and take out that box space from the kitchen.

At a guess I'd be thinking it would need a full rewire, boiler, windows. New hard flooring downstairs so new skirting boards too. Carpets. All wallpaper off and plastering. Then painting all rooms. New bathrooms and kitchen. Checking loft insulation levels and roof condition. Potentially new front door if it's really draughty. I'd be wanting the wall knocked down between kitchen and dining room, wc moved, but that's just me.

I think you could do quite a bit for an initial 30k -

Maybe new boiler if needed, plasterwork and redecorate top to bottom, new flooring throughout and any electrics, dodgy plasterwork etc

Any extras like new kitchen/bathroom- replace rather nasty wardrobes etc could be done afterwards

Crikeyalmighty if you are going to re-wire you really need to rip out the kitchen, wardrobes etc. it would be madness to try and work around them. Similarly if you re-plumb you don't want to be doing it around an old kitchen and bathrooms. Unless you are super skilled DIYer and happy to live in utter chaos for years, it really all needs to be ripped out and everything done at once.

Baring in mind - all we can see are the EA photos…
First question is ‘what lurks beneath’!
We are approx 80% through a total home renovation, in the South East. Trades are expensive here. I don’t know your area, or how much they would differ.
But in based on our experience, our non-professional estimate on the property, could be anywhere between £135,000k - (not including heating and windows) up to £200,000k, if you either do a total refurb or encounter additional problems.
It depends on your skill sets, whether you are prepared to do all the preparation work first, and the decorating after.
Just looking at where the tiling/ flooring meets with floors in several rooms, you may not know what you are working with, until all the built ins are ripped out. Definitely have the roof thoroughly checks and the facia above the front upper window area.
The next question is what already refurbished homes in the same style and neighbourhood have actually sold for recently, (not what the EA valued them at.)
Go into this with your eyes wide open, ask the right questions to trusted experienced people that can view the house with you.
The garden looks good, and the drive will probably look good with a good clean.

@Grimbelina I don't disagree- but I'm wondering if the OP just wants it moveable into --with other things done at a later stage?

I personally think you might struggle to get a mortgage on it if it needs full electrics, full re plumbing etc though. Hence why these places often go to cash buyers- but I don't know that OP isn't

If it needs the full works then yes I think you are talking g £100 to £120k

I think new electrics looking at the sockets and trunking and new heating system looking at some of those radiators.
With an old house I think it’s important to strip everything back to see what’s beneath the years of wallpaper, paint, dodgy floor coverings.
I would budget £30-50 k for new wiring, plumbing and plastering at a minimum. I did a similar renovation 3 years ago and those jobs were £40 k then so I added £10 k for inflation.

I think I need to move to Birmingham. You get so much space for your money!

@jingleallthewayy

how long is a bit of string?

it really does depend on what you want to achieve 'tart it up- to live in. To sell. Tackle to turn it into a solid family home for yourselves or to sell or rent. Very modern , hugely upgraded stunning property.

how much do you have left to spend? What's your priority.

We have just started renovating a large 4 bedroom cottage so I can give you an idea of our costs.

Our budget is £60k and that includes;

Windows £17,000 (18 UVPC windows and 3 composite doors)
New kitchen/utility £20,000 (including fitting and appliances - separate fridge, freezer, induction hob and double oven/microwave combi, big island and quartz worktops)
3 new bathrooms £4,000 (this was just the price for the fixtures and tiles at trade price - husband will fit)
Electrics £3,000 (we didn’t need to rewire but do need a new consumer unit)
Builder is £220 a day, he thinks he will need 2 weeks to move a couple of walls and plaster ceilings upstairs
Flooring £7,500 (sounds a lot but that includes 60sqm of Karndean which isn’t the cheapest!)
Hot water tank £500 (hubby will fit and he already had the copper pipes and fittings etc)

My advice would be to make some friends in the building trade 😂 my husband is an ex-tradie and we are calling in favours left right and centre from his mates.
Also do your research and shop around for quotes - we were quoted a lot more for a Wren kitchen as apposed to a better quality alternative from an independent kitchen designer.

Someone above mentioned the mortgage - most lenders are happy so long as there’s a functioning kitchen and bathroom. This is all that’s required to deem a house ‘habitable’.

I would recommend getting a RICS survey done to check for structural issues, damp etc.

Well how much have you got ?

Honestly I don't think £60k would touch the sides. Having mates in the trade maybe puts a totally different complexion in things.

We've just fully renovated a 3 bed detached listed property and no change out of £250k. That included heating, wiring, plumbing, new bathrooms, roof. Trades and materials are so expensive, we're in the Midlands

@Handovertothetedcross Wow £250k!? Is that reflected in the value of your house? We are Midlands also and trades are bloody expensive so I can see how it would mount up if we were paying for other people to do the work.

We are doing most of the grafting ourselves which is helping our budget massively - hubby is there every evening and weekend. He’s just in the last hour got home from installing said hot water cylinder! Hard work (for him, mostly) but everyone assures me it will be worth it 🙃

I suspect it needs a rewire with the additional electrics which were probably a diy job.
Plumbing you could probably get away with just new rads. £100- £200 per rad plus fitting
The bathrooms look a bit dated but otherwise fine.
Those skirting boards need some paint!
Kitchen wants replacing as it’s very dated. You can buy a very good kitchen for £5-6k the fitter makes all the difference. You’ve just got to be canny and refuse the extras they try to sell you.
Theres a lot of decorating and that’s expensive unless you do it yourself.
I think a developer could make that house look good for less than £25k including improving the bathrooms. A home owner could spend £60k plus

That looks like it needs everything done! The layout doesn't work, particularly downstairs with the toilet in the kitchen and the wet room seems to have taken space from the garage. Could a car fit there now? With four bedrooms upstairs one bathroom wouldn't be enough, I think an en suite to the master bedroom would be a good addition.

I've recently done something similar so I'd say to replace all wiring and update pretty much the same layout it'd cost about £60k and a couple of years off your life expectancy in stress 😂

If you look at recent threads on here, generally people end up with a figure of £150-200,000 for a full refurb on a house of that size but that often includes a small extension or loft conversion.

It will be at least £100,000 and it wont add that to the sale price any time soon. If you haven't done a renovation before then now is not a good time to start unless you have lots of people you can ask for advice.

Hard to say without a survey to identify what needs doing and if it's just cosmetic or more structural. If it needs rewiring, new boiler / heating system, plastering, windows (?), kitchen and 2 bathrooms and all the decorating doing then I don't think you'd get much change out of £100k if you paid trades to do all the work and include things like carpets and curtains.

Geneticsbunny has summarised it really well. If the house is priced at last 150K below the sale value done up then I would consider it... but I have done a lot of refurbs etc. However, the prices now are so high for both labour and materials, and as a PP says it is so, so stressful (even when you know what you are doing) that you would have to really love the house to make it worth it...

Thanks for all the replies.

We are very much novices, our current house was a fixer upper but not to this extent . The cost of this house is already top end of budget so I don't think it is the renovation project for us

As some have said, there could end up being so many other costs once you dig deeper.