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critical illness cover question

18 replies

midnightexpress · 06/03/2008 10:41

DP and I are about to take out a new 22 year mortgage. We are both in our 40s and have been quoted over £100 each a month for critical illness cover. We are both currently hale and hearty, non-smokers, with no family history of anything ghastly.

My question is this: would we be better off overpaying the mortgage (which we plan to do anyway) enough to pay off at least the bulk of the mortgage in about 10 years and forget about the CI cover? I currently have a policy which still has 15 years to run, for about half of the value of the new mortgage, at about £20 a month, which I could continue, I suppose.

I'd welcome any thought on this. Do you think it's too big a risk? We have two DSs aged 1 and 2, and Dp is the main breadwinner at the moment.

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moodlumthehoodlum · 06/03/2008 10:48

We've faced the same problem - we have huge cover on critical illness, life etc, and the premiums are one of our biggest outgoings.

I think though, that I would always do it, because if the worst happened I would be so grateful we had it. But.. so many of these policies have weasel out clauses - we got a list the other day from DH's critical illness insurer and you have to be pretty blardy ill to get a bean from them, so it is worth, I think paying a bit more to ensure that, for example, if you got (god forbid) cancer, and recovered, they would still pay out. Does that make sense?

GColdtimer · 06/03/2008 10:51

THat seems like a lot of money. We are with Norwich Union and pay £42 per month each for life assurance and critical illness cover. It is just linked to our mortgage so just pays the balance of the mortgage if anything were to happen, no extra cash.

We are both self-employed so pretty crucial for us. What is your DHs workplace like? If anything were to happen, would they be prepared to pay him full pay for a while or would it be strictly statutory sick pay?

ZoeC · 06/03/2008 10:53

Why not try seeing how much quicker your mortgage will be paid off by paying the extra - mortgage overpayment calculator link here

then you can use that to help you decide.

I can't get critical illness cover anyway so not a decision I had to make - I know it only covers a pretty narrow list of illnesses so hard to judge if it's worth it I suppose.

GColdtimer · 06/03/2008 10:54

And after recently loosing one friend recently to a rare liver condition and supporting the other through leukemia treatment (who didn't have critical illness and would have been looking at being mortgage free if he did which would have taken an enormous amount of stress away during a very stressful time) I tend to err on the side of caution. .

moodlum is right though, you need to look carefully at the small print.

titchy · 06/03/2008 10:57

Don't bother with critical illness cover - it's not worth the paper it's written on. Get a bog standard life term insurance for the remainder of your mortgage term (£20 ish) if you haven't got cover if one of you dies, and Permanent Health Insurance (or whatever it's called these days) if one of you is too ill to work. Lots of FA recommned Crit. Ill. cos it gives them loads of commission, but it is far too restrictive in the circumstances under which you can calim. Also check what benefits your employers offer you - no point in having two lots.

titchy · 06/03/2008 10:59

Twofalls - obviusly I don't know the circumstances of your firends' illnesses, but likely that CI wouldn't have paid out - not on the liver one anyway.

midnightexpress · 06/03/2008 11:00

Thanks for the replies - twofalls, I'm assuming it's because of our age (I'm nearly 42 and DP is 45) so a 22 year mortgage is quite long at our age, I suppose .

I'm self-employed, but only working very part-time at the moment, while the LOs are small. DP is a contractor, so he earns quite a lot, but has v little in the way of job security, and no sick pay or anything like that at the moment. So we would be taking quite a risk, at least over the next few years. We would have life cover, it's just the critical illness part that we're wondering about.

Thanks too for the link to the calculator, I'll go and do the sums now.

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GColdtimer · 06/03/2008 11:01

No, your right my friend with the liver condition probably wouldn't have done, but my friend with leukeamia would have done (according to the terms of my policy anyway). Or do you think they would have found a way to wiggle out of it? I would be interested to know what to look for in our terms.

I was using it more as an example of the fact that until then I thought we were all pretty indestructible and then in the space of 6 months, all these happened within my close circle of friends.

But it is interesting to know that you don't think they are worth the paper they are written on, perhaps I will review ours.

titchy · 06/03/2008 12:05

Permanent Health Insurance much better as covers any illness that stops you working, CI only limited to a few key illnesses. Great if you get those (well not great but YKWIM), but if you get somethign else not very useful.

GColdtimer · 06/03/2008 12:53

Thanks titcy, will look into it. We are both self employed - does that make it trickier or is it actually better to get that?

claricebeansmum · 06/03/2008 12:58

Also look at decreasing term assurance - this decreased the amount it will pay out but uis cheaper so works well for covering a mortgage.

Is is worth shopping around more too?

titchy · 06/03/2008 13:13

SHOULD be based on your ages, state of health and if you have manual or higher risk jobs or hobbies. Should not be based on your employment status. But don't quote me - this is dh's line of work not mine!

midnightexpress · 06/03/2008 14:44

thanks titchy - that's really useful. We are going to make some enquiries about permanent health insurance.

That overpayment calculator is sobering. Blimey.

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orangina · 06/03/2008 14:49

I am always hearing the CI insurance not worth the paper it is written on, too m nay exclusions. dh looked into it, decided on life insurance and possibly income protection.....
We have been told that if we have an existing CI policy, we might as well keep it on, but if we don't, don't take out a new one.... will try to find links to useful articles on the fool website....

orangina · 06/03/2008 14:50

here

duke748 · 09/03/2008 12:04

Hi all.

Am a financial adviser so can give you a more informed opinion on critical illness cover and permanent health insurance.

Critical illness policies pay out a lump sum on diagnosis of a listed critical illness. The money is not linked to the mortgage so you can spend it on what you want. Obviously it depends on what you have, but some people use it to pay off debts, to live whilst they are off work, to adapt their house, to pay for private medical treatment, to treat the family to a holiday etc etc.

Everyone should have critical illness cover for their mortgage at the very least. If you have a repayment mortgage you only need decreasing term insurance, which will be a lot cheaper than level term. In addition, if there are two of you on the mortgage, you only need one policy to cover both of you. If person A claims, the mortgage is paid off, so why have separate cover for person B to cover the mortgage?

The £100 each quotes seems excessive from the OP. However no-one can say how much it should cost as we don't know how much your mortgage is! The fact that you have given us a cost each suggests to me that there is also cover over and above the mortgage in there. The adviser should have explained clearly what is covered. If not, don't use them!

As to whether or not critical illness cover is worth the paper it is written on, well I guess that depends on whether or not you get seriously ill!

Most modern ones have the following 'catch alls'...

  • diagnosed with less than 12 months to live through any cause
  • doctor deems you unable to do a job similar to yours (i.e. office based job) permanently through any cause

They also tend to cover life (i.e would pay out if you were to die) as well for no additional cost.

Also look out for children's critical illness cover. Alot of policies include it for free whereby if a child of the insured gets any of the listed illnesses a payout equal to half the sum assured amount is paid out. Most commonly claim illness is meningitis, but thankfully it is still relatively rare.

Of all claims made, approximately 80% are for cancer or heart attack, so I would make sure that these are covered. Try to get as many illnesses covered as possible, but bear in mind that the rest are relatively rare. I would say the features of the policy are more important that the list if illnesses covered.

When looking at cost, bear in mind that 1 in 3 policies are claimed on. The chances of someone getting a serious illness before the age of 65 are quite high, but thankfully most people, after a period of adjustment get better and carry on with life. The policy is simply designed to make that period slightly more comfortable by providing a lump sum that can be used to give you more financial options and less financial worry.

Permanent health insurance is a different type of policy. It pays an amount per month (usually up to a third of your wages) for any time you are off work. Most people use it to pay council tax, keep the kids in clothes and all the other boring stuff that still needs to be paid for.

It 'kicks in' after a set number of weeks. For example, a 13 week policy only starts paying 13 weeks after you start being off work. The ideal is to have it start when your work would stop paying you sick pay. The longer this 'deferment period' is, the cheaper the cover is.

This type if policy does not cover unemployment but does provide cover up until the age of 65 if needed. So if you had a problem at 35 that meant you could never return to work it would pay out until the age of 65, when you would have retired anyway. Accident, sickness and unemployment (ASU) policies would pay out for a set period, usually one or two years and then would stop. This is why they are cheaper.

I would seriously suggest that you speak to someone who asks you questions about your debts, your earnings, your budget etc. They should then be able to recommend cover for you and explain what it covers.

Unfortunately there are a lot of advisers who do not understand the products fully themselves and so sell unsuitable products.

In my experience a lot of mortgage advisers are not very good at selling these products as they see them simply as a bolt on policy that generates extra commission. A mortgage adviser is rarely trained in the details of the policies and when they should be recommended. I'd just like to point out that that is not true of all mortgage advisers, but certainly some of them!

At the end if the day, speak to a few advisers and go with your gut instinct. Which one asked you appropiate questions, listened to the answers and explained the policies fully?

Please don't not take out any cover for the simple reason that you don't understand what you are being offered and what it would do for you if something went wrong.

Hope that helps to some degree, and am happy to answer any other questions if needed.

Duke.

GColdtimer · 10/03/2008 07:46

Thanks Duke, that is so helpful. It is all so much clearer now. We have one critical illness policy that is decreasing and we took it out with the prime objective of paying off the mortgage if anything were to happen, all the major illnesses are covered. It is also useful to know about children's critical illness cover - I will look into that.

Thank you!

duke748 · 10/03/2008 09:45

No probs. Its something I feel strongly about - have seen how it can help my customers if they need to make a claim. Its very true that money doesn't buy you happiness, but it can certainly give you more choices.

One more thing I wanted to add, if I may.

Say the cover you are recommended costs £100 per month, but you can only afford £50 per month. You'd get broadly half the cover for half the cost and something is better than nothing.

Of course you still have to be able to pay for school shoes etc today so shouldn't bankrupt yourself to get cover, but on the other hand, having none at all puts you in an awful financial position if something happens.

So, basically, its not an all or nothing decision.

Hope that helps.

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