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Drop the price now or new year?

56 replies

wereonthemarket · 28/09/2023 12:27

We put our house on the market 3 weeks ago. No viewings.

Our aim was to move in the next 2 years when we can realise a certain amount.

Obviously the market is slow and people are uncertain with mortgages/inflation etc but I think we must be over priced to have had no viewings.

We'd planned to drop the price in January if we got no interest but are now toying with dropping it now.

Valued at £675-700. Currently on the market at £695. The minimum we will accept is £650 (we won't sell for less than this in the next 2 years - we will just wait and reevaluate then). So we could go £675 now then offers over £650 in January. Or we could wait til January as planned. Thoughts?

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Twiglets1 · 28/09/2023 16:02

No one is forcing a buyer to view a property that they can’t afford @whyisitallsohard

So it’s hardly wasting their time if they chose to view a property they see listed at a certain price. Arguably they are wasting the Sellers time not the other way round.

HighFiveLow · 28/09/2023 16:11

I echo what others are saying about getting ahead of the curve. The market is expected to be worse in January, not better.

Alternatively, if you are hoping to buy a house of greater value than you own, you could hold off and wait for prices to fall further.

Why do you need to get 650.

wereonthemarket · 28/09/2023 16:52

Porkepic · 28/09/2023 13:57

I always found the concept of needing a certain amount confusing. First, the buyer or the market in general does not care about what a particular seller plan to do, but most importantly, don’t forget that your next purchase will also equally be discounted. In effect, you merely pass the discount up the chain, the only person that should care is the last and often most fortunate financially one in the chain.

Thanks. It works the other way coming down the chain though.

Also I think because we can sell or not sell and see now hurry we have a price that it feels 'not worth moving' if we don't achieve

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Twiglets1 · 28/09/2023 16:55

Homes are being bought at an average 4.2% below the asking price

In September, discounts reached their highest level since March 2019. The biggest reductions on asking prices are being achieved in London and the SE at 4.8% - while in the rest of the UK the rate is 2.8%, Zoopla said.

The number of buyers rebounded by 12% in September, but Zoopla said they still retain the upper hand as they refuse to compromise on price. Richard Donnell, director of research at Zoopla said, "Falling mortgage rates are the most likely route to bringing buyers back into the market in the next 12-18 months."

Fixed mortgage rates have been dropping amid falling market expectations for interest rates, which are believed to have peaked. Lenders have started offering 5 year fixed rates below 5% and Zoopla expects mortgage rates to drop to 4.5% in the coming months.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/uk-house-buyers-biggest-price-discounts-four-years/

Buyers tempted back to property market by biggest discounts in four years

Homes are being snapped up at an average 4.2pc below the asking price

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/uk-house-buyers-biggest-price-discounts-four-years

mrsbyers · 28/09/2023 16:56

Personally I’d take it off altogether and relaunch in the spring , traditionally people want to move before Christmas so market drops now

XVGN · 28/09/2023 17:02

KievLoverTwo · 28/09/2023 15:21

Even if properties had reduced 15-20% from the peak in OPs local area, the EA would have been aware of that when they did the valuation two weeks ago, wouldn't they?

From 21st Sept (text and download stats slides in the comments)

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"The fly in the ointment is overvaluing. Estate Agents are still overcooking the suggested asking prices of many new properties coming on the market."

The number of listings last week was 34,280.

Price Reductions: 24,874 price reductions were seen last week, the highest weekly number since June 2018. The 2023 running weekly average is 19,842.

And, additionally:

In the weekly YouTube Show this week, special guest Bryan Mansell and Chris Watkin talk about how the number of UK properties on the market for sale has increased by 88.5% in the last 20 months (343.3k on 1st January '22 to 647.2k on 1st September' 23), yet the number of sales has dropped by 20.1% in the same time frame.

Average Listing Price: The average listing price was significantly higher for the third week to £466,472.

Average Asking Price of Properties Sold STC this Week: The average asking price of the properties selling last week was £341,026.

OMG Kiev. I unleashed a monster!

XVGN · 28/09/2023 17:08

If you're not really bothered about selling (under a certain price) then you could try a different tactic. Try putting it on Offers Over (an unbelievably good price) - say £600K - and see if that creates a market of such interest that you get multiple offers over asking - all the way up to your minimum price.

Twiglets1 · 28/09/2023 17:08

XVGN · 28/09/2023 17:02

OMG Kiev. I unleashed a monster!

Kiev loves those Youtubers 😉

XVGN · 28/09/2023 17:17

Twiglets1 · 28/09/2023 17:08

Kiev loves those Youtubers 😉

As do I and I'm pretty sure that you sneak a look on the odd occasion too! 😆

Coveescapee · 28/09/2023 17:24

The main thing is to look on rightmove at your competition and also what is selling. Buyers now have perfect information so can see straightaway if something is overpriced. Prices are only going down of course in most areas so just because a house sold a few months ago at a certain price its likely to be less now.

Twiglets1 · 28/09/2023 17:24

XVGN · 28/09/2023 17:17

As do I and I'm pretty sure that you sneak a look on the odd occasion too! 😆

well I couldn't possibly comment 😆

(in fact I do look at many sources of information and consider many opinions)

Porkepic · 28/09/2023 18:00

mrsbyers · 28/09/2023 16:56

Personally I’d take it off altogether and relaunch in the spring , traditionally people want to move before Christmas so market drops now

Volume is high in Sep/Oct, plus about every experts out there are predicting price sliding further over the next 6-12 months

CrashyTime · 28/09/2023 18:03

oiltrader · 28/09/2023 13:49

It is based on the fact that:

  1. the agent over valued to get the custom
  2. Agent probably has tied the vendor in for a long time
  3. Vendor has had zero interest
  4. Its common knowledge that the market is already down 15-20% since the peak
  5. 15% is a good reduction to start to generate competition

Unfortunatley, I think the OP thinks they deserve the £650k

They will be disappointed.

I m glad DH used his bonuses for the last two years to clear our motgage, as we agreed the property is down around 300k from the peak already x

https://uk.investing.com/rates-bonds/uk-10-year-bond-yield

If you go back to say 1990 and back into the early 80s we are not at the scary place yet, but the debt people are carrying is so much more than then! That is the scary part, the ten year runs mortgage rates and how much people can borrow decides the price of your house, drop the price now IMO. If the house was bought for less than 650k recently I dont think you will get anything like that price now but don`t be slow to get ahead of the competition, use PropertyLog to see what other sellers are pricing at for similar property.

United Kingdom 10-Year Bond Yield - Investing.com UK

Access historical data for United Kingdom 10-Year Bond Yield free of charge. The yield on a bond represents the return an investor will receive by holding the bond to maturity.

https://uk.investing.com/rates-bonds/uk-10-year-bond-yield

DepartureLounge · 28/09/2023 18:12

I totally understand the thing of needing or wanting to sell for a minimum price and don't get the impatience with it. It doesn't make you entitled or mean you necessarily expect your buyer to pay whatever it is you say you need - on the contrary, discussions of the minimum you can sell for normally revolve around the anxiety that you won't be able to get it.

Buying and selling costs money in itself. If you think you know what you'll need to go forward, why shouldn't you set a red line as to how low you'll go, and stay put if you can't achieve it?

Not all sales and purchases map well on to each other in market terms. People might be relocating, or upsizing/downsizing in an area where a particular type of housing stock is in short supply, or couples might be separating and wanting to buy two smaller places, which means that the cost per square foot bought differs greatly from that of the property being sold. Or you might feel that you'd rather go into rented to avoid being in a chain, but want to be sure you can absorb any market changes in the meantime. Or maybe you want to take equity out for some reason. There are numerous possible factors that sellers may be weighing up that make sense to them, even if not to us.

CrashyTime · 28/09/2023 18:23

Good points, I think the drop off in FTB numbers will start hitting chains soon, everyone should definitely be asking their onward purchase to reduce price at this stage IMO.

EarthSight · 28/09/2023 19:48

Properties that are valued correctly get snapped up quickly, unless the estate agent is crap.

My impression as a buyer at the moment is that lots of sellers still think it's 2021 and are unwilling to accept that it isn't. I wouldn't be surprised if they're being egged on to sell at unrealistic prices by estate agents that are keen to get their business, and keen to give the impression that everything is totally fine and booming when sold prices on gov.uk say otherwise.

CrashyTime · 28/09/2023 23:09

Cant be long until EAs start losing jobs?

rainingsnoring · 29/09/2023 10:27

Didn't you post this last week too?

If you have had no viewings in the first 3 weeks (the busiest period), it's clearly over priced.
If 650K is your 'line in the sand', market it for offers over 650K and see if get any interest at this price point. If not, it's still over priced.

oiltrader · 29/09/2023 10:56

Mildura · 28/09/2023 13:56

Not all of those in your lists are facts. Some are assumptions/guesses.

Frankly, it may only be worth £500k, but there simply isn't enough info for any of us to know. It's impossible to tell very much at all. All we know is that there have been no viewings at the current price, suggesting very strongly that the current price is incredibly unrealistic.

I m glad DH used his bonuses for the last two years to clear our motgage, as we agreed the property is down around 300k from the peak already x

Lucky old you! x

Edited

Lucky old you! x

I am lucky. He is a wonderful provider x

wereonthemarket · 29/09/2023 13:35

mrsbyers · 28/09/2023 16:56

Personally I’d take it off altogether and relaunch in the spring , traditionally people want to move before Christmas so market drops now

Thanks. That's why we thought maybe holding to the new year to drop the price. Because I guess people stop looking in nov/dec time and start their search again in the new year.

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wereonthemarket · 29/09/2023 13:36

XVGN · 28/09/2023 17:08

If you're not really bothered about selling (under a certain price) then you could try a different tactic. Try putting it on Offers Over (an unbelievably good price) - say £600K - and see if that creates a market of such interest that you get multiple offers over asking - all the way up to your minimum price.

Interesting idea. Will bare in mind. Thanks

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CrashyTime · 29/09/2023 14:04

rainingsnoring · 29/09/2023 10:27

Didn't you post this last week too?

If you have had no viewings in the first 3 weeks (the busiest period), it's clearly over priced.
If 650K is your 'line in the sand', market it for offers over 650K and see if get any interest at this price point. If not, it's still over priced.

Good advice. The advice about trying to start "bidding wars" made me chuckle, certainly don`t waste your time with this approach.

XVGN · 29/09/2023 14:13

CrashyTime · 29/09/2023 14:04

Good advice. The advice about trying to start "bidding wars" made me chuckle, certainly don`t waste your time with this approach.

Ok. I'm going to bite. What approach would you recommend? If the price is too high you'll get no interest. If the price is too low you'll get loads of interest. Is there another way?

XVGN · 29/09/2023 14:22

wereonthemarket · 29/09/2023 13:36

Interesting idea. Will bare in mind. Thanks

This is really weird. Me and Twiggers have a thing going on, but I get notified of a response from her even when it's from someone else!

Drop the price now or new year?
DepartureLounge · 29/09/2023 17:49

XVGN · 29/09/2023 14:13

Ok. I'm going to bite. What approach would you recommend? If the price is too high you'll get no interest. If the price is too low you'll get loads of interest. Is there another way?

Not speaking for Crashy, who seems well able to speak for him/herself, but I would think the idea that anyone is getting so much interest at any price that it starts a bidding war is pie in the sky atm, just because of the unattractiveness of mortgage rates, downturn in mortgage approvals and general sense that the market has further to fall. (Precisely the point imo where a seller might ignore the chorus of, "It's the price, it's always the price!" and bin it all off til 2025 if they're able.) I think the point is that at o/o 650K the OP might get an acceptable offer, which is all she really needs.