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Waitlist1234 · 18/09/2023 11:11

Hi all, can someone please explain how party walls work. We are first time buyer
We are in the process of purchasing a property where we will do the side return extension in the kitchen. We need a planning permit to do this. My questions are;

  • how soon can we start the party wall aspect (ie as soon as we have the architect plans, after the results of planning permission? before having the full plans)
  • the houses on both sides of our property are split into 2/3 flats. How does it work? I understand we need to inform both landlords and occupants (if rented). How do we find the name/ address of the landlords ?
  • Do we need to send the notice with a proof of sending?
  • Do you have any advice/recommendation?
  • Is it worth appointing a surveyor from start to help with the paperwork and the process? or better to wait and see if we need one?
THanks a lot
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Waitlist1234 · 18/09/2023 15:37

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LondonNQT · 18/09/2023 15:56

You will need at least one Party Wall Surveyor (PWS) but each property owner may insist on a second to act for them - this will be at your cost. If it is only a single storey extension then you only need a Party Wall Award (PWA) for the ground floor apartments (assuming you’re putting a full width RSJ in) - if you’re removing chimney breasts from the second and third storeys, for example, then each apartment would be impacted.

You only need to inform the owners of the properties - I’d start by knocking on the doors of those affected and asking who the owner is, introduce yourself etc. Alternatively you might need to consult the land registry if the tenants are not helpful.

I’d start by engaging a local PWS, they’ll be able to help you with all your queries. You have to serve your party wall neighbours with the notices two months before starting work, however, you can do so up to a year before you start. That said, if you need full planning permission (rather than just permitted development) I’d be inclined to apply for this first, as it can take some time.

Your neighbours cannot refuse you a PWA, however, it’s prudent to allow the required time in case they delay to the final moments as ours did. I had to ask our PWS to start the process of circumnavigating them as they pushed it to the wire.

Lots of useful info here:
https://www.gov.uk/party-walls-building-works

Generally I’d say process should be as follows;

  • Get plans drawn up
  • Apply for planning permission (or prior approval of permitted dev if you want to go that route)
  • Apply for PWA
  • Tender for builders
  • Wait for builders to become available
  • Start build

Party walls and building work

When and how to tell neighbours about building works on party walls, what to do if you've been notified of works, how to come to an agreement

https://www.gov.uk/party-walls-building-works

TurboT · 16/01/2024 13:18

I'm not sure if you're still looking for information about this but I have recently made a site to help. There is a lot of free information on there and an AI chat bot to answer questions. There is also a way to produce the required letters (although that bit isn't free). The site is: ourpartywall.co.uk

The broad summary is you have to give notice to your neighbours (usually two months in advance of the work starting) and they have to agree. If they agree to you doing the work then you don't need a party wall surveyor. We recommend having an informal chat with the neighbours first to try and work through any concerns they might have.

Whether you use a party wall surveyor or not it is recommended that you take a schedule of condition (basically photos and description of the condition of the wall) so that any problems caused by the work can be sorted out fairly.

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https://ourpartywall.co.uk

Jux · 30/10/2024 16:41

Thank you, @TurboT , you guide " Do I need an agreement" is just what we need!

Our neighbours started work on a shared chimney stack without a word to us - the first we knew was when their scaffolders turned up (who weregoing to be putting scaffolding up on our hardstanding, as they'd been told our halfofthe semi was as empty as theirs). Scaffolding's up, they weregoing to repoint theirhalf ofthe stack, which wouldn't really help them muchunless our side of it is done too. So more scaffneeded, etc. They've notbrought up costs yet, but we certainly wouldn't have chosen the builders they have if we'd had to choice - very very expensive!

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