Energy Housing Bill (new world order)

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Announced this week, a new energy bill for housing in the pipeline for all homeowners.

The government will be taking our homes from us if we don’t comply making our home’s energy efficient to whatever the new standard will be, with penalties of £15000 fine or imprisonment. Part of efforts to hit net zero targets. This is just the start, wait till the goal posts are changed further down the line making it harder to comply. This is ULEZ for housing. You can forget being able to rent or sell any property that isn't in line with the new rules, which is most of the UK housing as it stands.

Obviously we are all happy to have more energy efficient lifestyles more respectful to our environments. But while China and India are each increasing more than our whole Co2 output per year, how long will people keep sleepwalking before its too late and their houses are taken from them as they can't afford the fines?

#youwillownnothingandbehappy

https://www.energylivenews.com/2023/09/03/uk-homeowners-face-jail-or-15k-fine-in-energy-bill-crackdown/

The problem is, people who live in energy efficient homes quite often tend to already be in fuel poverty.

They have no money to avoid the stick. Where are you expecting them to find it?

I've looked at a few extremely cheap 2 bed terraced houses and the new build equivalent is about twice the price. Where do they magic up the money to move?

What IS your solution for people with no spare money?

My solution would be to help people who actually need help, and not help people who don't.

We've been having conversations about this lately. EDF seem to be pushing heat pumps every time I access our account. OK we understand about the net zero thing being necessary because of climate change (looking at the table of emissions by country we produce 1.03% and are ranked at number 16 in the world, for perspective here - whereas China is 29.18% and the largest. So even if we achieve net zero, what about all the other countries?

How can they expect people who are only just about managing at the moment to find the capital investment to insulate their homes and install heat pumps? Also if they're serious about this, how come very few new houses are built with heat pumps and are mainly still built with gas boilers? From research heat pumps only work to the optimum with high levels of insulation, including cavity wall and underfloor heating. How on earth can they criminalise people who either can't afford to do the necessary works or don't have the mental capacity to organise it? Thinking of elderly people here. Seems another virtue signalling piece of legislation. I follow things pretty closely, but it's interesting that this appears to have slipped through with minimum publicity in the media?

It will be watered down significantly before it makes it on to the statute book.

I have a Victorian house with gas central heating. I've lived here 12 years. In those 12 years, I've acted to reduce my heating costs - for my benefit but also because NetZero measures are necessary. We all know they are coming. It's not a surprise.

So far I have....

• Replaced all windows with double glazing
• Replaced all exterior doors
• Replaced the boiler with a AAA rated unit.
• The roof needed replacing, so I had it relined and insulation placed between the eaves when it was reslated.
• I've doubled all the loft insulation - easy & cheap to do myself
• I've repointed the house at ground level, replaced all soft mortar and solved the damp patch in the sitting room (myself).
• Added a log burner (I have free logs)

I've paced the expense, one thing every two years. My utilities bill for the last year was £1,200 so it's given a good return so far.

My boiler will wear out in about 7 years, so I'm already saving to switch to either a GSHP and solar panels, or heated wall paper. I might not manage to save enough but it'll be close (I hope).

Yes, but how?

You said you don't think society should pay.

Now you are saying people should be helped. By whom, if not society?

I suggested means tested help so rich old folk aren't unfairly compensated.

Why are we going round in circles?

Exactly. This is what I mean. It’s quite disgusting. When many countries are increasing per year more than we are as a whole. The amount of changes countries like ours are going to be forced to go through, we’ll end up in poverty and there will be no global improvements.

Apart from anything else like the NWO shite in the title , how exactly would Sadiq khan be able to reverse a Tory Government decision to order him to implement the ULEZ in the first place?

It wasn't his decision in the first place. It was a Tory one.

It's all terrifying isn't it OP? And still so many people are naive about it and call us 'conspiracy theorists' even though their plans are written on the government's own website!

Yep, it’s there in black and white, clear as day and still people act like ostriches and say it will never happen, it is happening and it’s going through now.

Yes. I fear for the next generation. I am genuinely happy that my bloodline ends here.
But then I wonder if this is also giving them what they want. Less breeding… oh well.

@Nowanextraone@PhilMitchellsleatherbomber

On the face of it this does look very concerning and authoritarian, particularly the bits about legally engorced smart meter upgrades, homeowner penalisations for inefficiency etc..., but it's really hard to make sense of what the facts actually are, vs the media frothing.

It will be watered down significantly before it makes it on to the statute book

The bill has just had its third reading. There will be one final consideration of amendments before it goes for royal assent. Any 'watering down' would have already happened .

WTAF are you on about 😂. Talk about reaching by pulling out the racist card.

It's a fact that China produces more emissions that many other countries. Many countries have moved to being greener but until every country does the same - the world will never by net zero, or even close.

Well, that escalated quickly. 🙄

dont bring up other countries who have done very little damage to the planet and people over the centuries unlike the uk

And today's award for unintentional comedy gold goes to....

you sound like a true dumb dumb.

Its totally legitimate to blame climate change on China and India - by any metric they are the problem. Its not racist lol.

You do realise China was a coloniser too?

Just because someone else is a bigger contributor to climate change doesn't mean that we shouldn't still try to do our part, however small, to address it. Part of that might be putting in place measures to address the way consume energy and the efficiency of our homes, and part of that might be buying fewer cheap, disposable items from places like India and China. But doing nothing to address our own contributions just because someone else is a bigger polluter isn't really a solution.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the law linked above. I've worked in a few industries that have involved helping members of the public deal with big changes or impacts to their lives. Something I've always found frustrating is when people reject every proposed solution yet don't have any suggestions as to what they'd prefer instead. I've always wanted to say something like "This change (in this case climate change) is happening. Continuing to do things the way we have always done them isn't an option. It just isn't. So put that out of your mind and forget about it.I know change is hard, inconvenient, uncomfortable and even scary sometimes. But it's happening. So I would love to hear from people some solutions that they WOULD be okay with."

As a PP listed above, no one wants to pay for these upgrades but they don't want taxes raised either so that they government can fund it. But unfortunately, doing nothing just isn't an option. It's not an unprecedented challenge. We've somehow managed to get everyone using electricity/gas/indoor plumbing when they previously weren't. It just needs some creative solutions and the will to do it.

You do realise China was a coloniser too?

Let's ask the Tibetans about that, shall we, @whyisitallsohard ? or the Uighurs?

So what happens if you rent Will we see CEOs of housing associations put in prison for not putting in heat pumps into their properties. Unworkable and ludicrous

I understand your thought process however there are many layers to this discussion and the whole climate change narrative. It's not black and white.

Separately there may be some benefits to the energy bill. Bringing mass production away from countries like China India Turkey Bangladesh, to a more localist approach for example.

Nigel Farage has made a tiktok video about this now,,,,,no idea how he came up on my fyp which is normally just horses, cats and raccoons 😁. But he’s very against it.

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-09-11/no-escape-communal-heating-makes-homes-unbearable-during-heatwave